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ufos seem to be invading both our skies

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and our news outlets like never before

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and more people are starting to look up

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and are wondering who

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or what might be out there in 2016

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ryan spregg introduced the world to

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countless ufo encounters that had never

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been made public before

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and now in the second edition of his

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book he revisits these events and

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introduces brand new ufo cases

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in somewhere in the skies a human

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approach to the ufo phenomenon

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how have these events changed the lives

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of those involved

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and what might it tell us about the

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phenomenon with in-depth follow-ups

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brand new chapters and detailed

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testimony from credible witnesses and

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insight

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from those in the psychological academic

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and scientific fields

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somewhere in the skies a human approach

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to the ufo phenomenon

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weaves together a story of stories

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attempting to get to the heart of these

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mysteries

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one experience at a time available now

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on amazon

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in both paperback and ebook to learn

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somewhere in the skies premiered on

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april 17

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2017 with our very first guest being

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historian

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author and ufo researcher richard dolan

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the episode covered a very interesting

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aspect to the entire ufo topic

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but in particular it focused on the

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manipulation

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and influence by the mainstream media

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when it comes to ufos

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but it goes much much deeper than just

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ridiculing the topic or having a little

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here's richard dolan during our very

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a couple of things that you notice about

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mainstream media it's interesting

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because we went through the whole

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in 2016 and now in 2017 and media itself

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is a story we hear everyone talking

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about

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so-called fake news and and you know

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there's lots of ways to look at

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this fake news phenomenon my perspective

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on it is that the corporate mainstream

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media itself is the primary conveyor

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and purveyor of fake news and i say this

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not siding with any one particular

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political party here

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but i have been looking at cnn and msnbc

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and uh pbs and really all of these large

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corporate dominated uh intelligence

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sources of news as purveyors of fake

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one of the things that um was important

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to mention to people that not only is a

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mainstream media not your friend or my

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my friend i mean it lies it spins its

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it's owned by just a few very sm

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powerful corporations it is merged

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with the popular culture entertainment

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industry it cooperates with the

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intelligence community all of this is

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people often don't recognize this they

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don't pay attention they don't know

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their history

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but the mainstream media has cooperated

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with us intelligence

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for decades and generations still does

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but it also makes us sick and i mean

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physically it makes us sick

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and intellectually emotionally it makes

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us sick again

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that interview was from almost four

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when dolan brought this to our attention

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and i mean it was no huge secret

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but it seemed a whole new era

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in our budding social media age when

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both the 24-hour news cycle

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and truth we're beginning to consume us

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and as these early warnings by dolan and

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many others throughout the decades

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have become more and more real we find

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ourselves in a whole new world

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of uncertainty but we have to ask

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how new is it today

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we talked to former host and news

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reporter clayton

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morris morris not only observed these

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notions being brought forward by

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dolan but he was a part of the machine

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that controlled it

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having worked for fox news he saw

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everything and now looking back

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he's able to understand and reflect on

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and how high it actually goes

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i really try to shine a light on the

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fact that you're being lied to

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by the mainstream media every day you're

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spoon-fed by the mainstream media every

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day you know people forget that it's a

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for-profit organization so you're

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you're watching fox you're watching any

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of these channels and they're all

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for-profit massive companies that have

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an agenda they have a narrative they

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have a story and they know their

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audience and they're not going to tell

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the more difficult pieces of that story

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it's hard for people to swallow because

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we're also spoon fed these things

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and you might be a fan of rachel maddow

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you might be a fan of uh

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tucker carlson you might be a fan of

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hannity you might be a fan of

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joy read whatever it is to me all i'm

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i want people to really start thinking

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outside of these sources

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because there's a whole world out there

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of people in the united states there's a

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hundred

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million people that don't vote 100

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and the reason that you see wall street

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doing just fine is because if

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biden wins they'll be fine if trump wins

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they'll be fine

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because they're all part of this same

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and stretching far beyond politics we

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also hear about how clayton morris

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to get the ufo topic covered in the most

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serious manner almost everything that

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this story is explosive and we need to

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do it we need to cover the story

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and so one time fox when i was doing the

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from break two into the segment and i

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afterwards i was like no never again

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this story should be treated just as

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importantly as anything else we do

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and we never did it again here's our

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conversation

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with clayton morris

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clayton thank you so much for joining me

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for the very first time

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on somewhere in the skies are you

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and in the mainstream media world which

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today a little bit but um no it's

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a pleasure having you here and we have

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so much to talk about man i think the

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last time we spoke

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was um right when the new york times

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deeper this is gonna be fun um well yeah

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before we even really get to the bulk of

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i uh my origin story with you is

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i came across your work through podcast

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legend jim

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harold who everyone on the show probably

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uh jim harold of the paranormal podcast

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to hear all about how you became

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in the paranormal and ufos started give

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paranormal world you know it's funny i

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good day philadelphia and was on my way

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could we pull something like that off

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and jim obviously had the

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the the broadcasting chops and the

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i don't remember it it's been like 12

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years at this point like what what the

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what the entomology of that uh

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um i i would tell jim i said you know

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there's something there was something so

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calming about jim's voice and you could

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for the material and i uh you know i

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said i would like fall asleep listening

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to your shows not in a bad

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way but i just found them like lights

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spooky story you know like um and i like

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the same thing like just with the music

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and the ambiance and how highly

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you know that's perfect sort of like you

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in the fireplace put your headphones on

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the ambiance that you put into your

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um so kudos to you and so that's really

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how it started and then we

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started together doing a show called the

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paranormal report which was a

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once once a week video 30 minute uh

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video show where we would run down sort

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of the news of the week

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and yeah it just kind of grew from there

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and you know it was it was starting to

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take off

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you know and you know that's one of the

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problems like i worked in the mainstream

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media

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and that's one of the issues is like

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working in the mainstream media you're

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sort of bought and sold by them

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right you sign a contract you are their

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anchor you know i am

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i am the anchor for fox news and

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they just didn't like that i was like a

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host

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on another show that had nothing to do

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with their ownership

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so they kindly asked me please

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this would be technically a breach of

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contract would you mind

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stop doing this show and for me as a

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fear-based young man who was just really

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getting started in

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like the biggest part of my career to

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have

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like a legal team sort of just nicely

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threatened you not threatened but you

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know nicely sort of nudge you in the

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right direction

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you might not want to do this and you

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know jim and i we weren't making any

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money doing it it was just a labor of

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love

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um and i just you know i had kids and i

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had to just make a decision

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and uh jim was gracious and kind and

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having to end that show and i think

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people then we a few like a few years

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later we were able to do a podcast

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together and talk about it

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it just but i felt bad because i really

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wasn't able to say anything i wasn't

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able to come out and kind of say i had i

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can't do this anymore we just had to say

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it was for personal reasons and

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it was that was the truth it was

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personal reasons but it uh it was

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kindly asked for by my corporate

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overlords to not do it

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hey man i mean look in you know we were

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i mean as a fan i i was disappointed but

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we understood like again i as i've sort

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of

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entertainment world as well when it

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comes to the paranormal

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and how it's uh how it's done with

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television

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um yeah it's tough when you get that

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contract and you sign on that line

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it they kind of own you and i mean

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i dealt with that with my current

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television projects and

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there were so many other things i wanted

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to do but i literally

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and legally could not and uh

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i completely understand so it was you

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know it was a moment in time we'll

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always have

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of the paranormal report and maybe some

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day but we're going to get to some uh

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some other stuff you're up to as well in

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that room yeah but um

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yeah i i guess kind of bouncing off of

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your work

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at fox now um a lot

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of us in this world of ufos um we're

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really

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excited to hear you talk about ufos on

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the air

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i mean again you were kind of our are in

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at the time

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when it came to this topic and getting

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it very kind

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it to the main but i deserve that but no

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you're very kind i mean

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thank you for that yeah of course man we

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every time you brought it up on the air

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we're like yes

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that's one more that's one more for

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clayton but um i want to ask you

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how does that work you know um when it

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comes to covering these topics

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at least with fox i'm sure it's

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different with every network or

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um maybe it's not maybe it's a sort of

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sweeping thing with the mainstream media

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but

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do you bring these stories to the

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network or is it something they

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knew you were kind of interested in so

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let's have clayton cover this how does

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it work

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in at least with fox when it comes to

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this topic uh when you were there

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right so i was the anchor on a morning

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show called fox and friends i did the

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weekend version of it

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um saturday and sunday and we had a

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little bit more leniency on the weekend

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because we had four hours and at the

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time when i took over that show they

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wanted it to be younger and hipper and

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and and so forth and we we pulled it off

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you know my co-host my co-host allison

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and dave

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and we you know we it was it was a

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phenomenal time it's probably the

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greatest

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time i've ever had in broadcasting and

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um three of us were just

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so good together we just the chemistry

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etc was just

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fantastic it was like lightning in a

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bottle you know you just can't replicate

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it

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your question

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because they knew my personality they

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knew i loved weird stories

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they knew i loved the paranormal they

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knew i loved ufo stories they knew i

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loved

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things that could make people think

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could also make people laugh

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so if there was ever like a funny off

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the wall story hey like pet airways you

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know like they're gonna fly pets now

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like fly out to iowa and do a story

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fly into des moines and do a story on

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pet airways you know

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random stuff and have fun with it um

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we need someone to wear like a chicken

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suit on the show for something like

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they're like

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it wasn't even a question it was like

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clayton you know like it was like

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who's the jackass it's basically like

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who could we find that's in our audience

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in our show that's like could pull that

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off yeah who's the fall guy

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right exactly but also they knew that i

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was fascinated by that so i would

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almost every thing that you saw on fox

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and friends was

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it was me bringing them a story whether

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it was

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something from leslie kane um or her new

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book

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or this story with you know

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then candidate obama

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the pilot uh whoever became the air

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force one pilot who

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you know admitted in my interview with

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him that uh

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you know this is very common and they

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witness the ufo off the

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you know off the front of the right side

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of the uh of air force one

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and that other pilots were not allowed

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to talk about this it was was frowned

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upon

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and he was hoping that by shedding a

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light doing that interview that it would

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cast uh

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it would open that up so those stories

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yeah it was really me sort of bringing

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them

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and it was always you know i mean i have

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to give my producers a lot of uh

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a lot of uh credit you know gavin and

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jennifer

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the people

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my production team because i would pitch

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this story in a meeting and i had to

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bring the energy for it like it was me

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selling it to them in a pitch meeting

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like listen

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leslie kane has just written a book

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where she goes on the record

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with government officials former members

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of the military

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high high-ranking generals and this

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story is explosive

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and we need to do it we need to cover

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this story

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and it often helped if there was some

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other media that this person had done

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before so there wasn't something out of

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the blue

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i'd have to push three or four times in

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order to get the story

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like hey what about that leslie kane

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story what about that leslie you know i

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had to push a couple of times to get it

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on the air

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and then some other random sighting or

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events or pilots or whatever it happens

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to be i'd have to push a little bit

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but in the end they usually caved and

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honestly

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all it comes down to in mainstream media

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is dollars

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it all comes down to eyeballs ratings

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and dollars

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and so i learned early on that if the

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segment i

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pitched would garner high ratings

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then i would get more of them so

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i really tried to study the we would get

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the

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i don't know if you know this term but

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for the layperson who's not familiar

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with broadcast terminology you'd get

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your minutes

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and what that means is you would

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literally you could get four hours of

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minutes

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so you could see that at 8 53 am

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when you did that ufo segment then

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the minutes like the numbers went off

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the charts

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so you could track minute by minute and

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that's what executives do

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you could see the nielsen ratings you

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could see the minute by minute response

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of viewers and eyeballs tuning into your

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show

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and so i used to study those the key

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part was to not look at them at the

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moment that the segment was on

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but the the amount of eyeballs that came

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about five or six minutes later

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because it was a flow you know maybe

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someone was telling someone to tune in

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or

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that might unfold

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so and then also a tease what i learned

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is if you didn't tease a story

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and again to the lay person not

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television savvy if you're ever watching

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jake tapper or fox and friends or any

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show and they're saying

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hey coming up after the break we're

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going to be sitting down with uh

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uh you know this this individual who

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witnessed a ufo

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what he thought was a ufo crashing in

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kecksburg pennsylvania

549
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in 1965 and what he will tell you about

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this ufo

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is mind-blowing we now have the evidence

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right after the break if you do not

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tease a story

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people don't know what's coming up and

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so i got in the habit of really making

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sure that we had time

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in the segment beforehand to make sure

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that we didn't have to kill a tease

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because i knew if i could tease that ufo

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story i could sell it and i would say

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coming up after the break and they would

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give me the read because they knew i

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00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,600
could sell it

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one of the most remarkable ufo sightings

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over chicago chicago's o'hare airport

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right entire you know an entire part of

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the airport shut down because of a ufo

568
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,000
hanging over the tarmac we're gonna show

569
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:27,679
you the photos and the evidence when we

570
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,640
come back

571
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,280
and you could see a spike in ratings so

572
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:33,520
i knew that if i could get the eyeballs

573
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:36,320
i could then also get my producers to to

574
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,600
do the story

575
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:40,400
so it's a you have to have both i mean

576
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,440
to be successful

577
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:43,520
you know right it's a game yeah it

578
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,480
really is right

579
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,320
and uh you know we were lucky that you

580
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,919
were really good at playing that game

581
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,919
because we got a lot of those

582
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,480
out of there um i have to ask you know

583
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,000
in terms of when you

584
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:55,600
you know you pitched it and they said

585
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,520
yes we'll do it and uh

586
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,760
you're you're there it's happening where

587
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,840
you're being broadcast um

588
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,559
did they ever make you downplay the

589
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,799
topic or give it a certain angle

590
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,960
you know throughout the years ever since

591
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,640
project blue book we've learned that

592
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,400
within the mainstream media

593
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,480
even the pentagon or the cia were

594
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,559
telling the media to

595
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,799
ridicule the people who report these

596
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,000
things or don't take

597
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,320
it too seriously um did you ever

598
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,000
experience anything like that with your

599
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:25,840
time with fox

600
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:29,280
never one time never one time

601
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,320
and i can say that unequivocally

602
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,640
no one in when i first got to fox one of

603
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,600
the first things that

604
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,520
you know i mean we know the story of

605
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,200
roger ailes we know the story

606
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,039
don't don't shoot the messenger don't

607
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,880
paint all of us with a with a

608
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,559
you know one brush but one thing that

609
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,400
roger said to me when i first got there

610
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,000
and was hired he said don't ever change

611
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,799
who you are don't ever be somebody

612
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,400
different on the air the reason

613
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,480
that we are successful here at fox is

614
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,760
because the people that you see on the

615
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:57,919
air are the same people off the air

616
00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:00,799
and don't ever change who you are and so

617
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,440
you know i

618
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,440
he knew i was like this liberal

619
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,840
progressive guy from philadelphia and

620
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:08,080
he's like just be who you are and so no

621
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:09,679
one ever told me

622
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,880
to downplay any kind of story like that

623
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,200
now i know what you're saying because

624
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,280
one of my biggest frustrations and jim

625
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,559
and i used to talk about this on the

626
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,240
paranormal report a lot i would get i

627
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:22,240
would go off and i would be so mad and

628
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:23,280
jim would too

629
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,480
was about local news so let's let me

630
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,960
you know i lived in west virginia and

631
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,320
and tell me to shut up if i'm i'm

632
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:31,919
rambling but i've been like

633
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,200
i've been holding i've been i've been

634
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,120
holding this information in for years

635
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,440
so like please for for me to be able to

636
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,720
talk to you about this is like

637
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,559
liberating and cathartic in a lot of

638
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,320
ways um love it so

639
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,640
if i could be your therapist i i'm i'm

640
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,159
happy to do that man i'm sure my

641
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,520
listeners will appreciate

642
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,000
that give us the exclusive feet up on

643
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:51,679
the couch with a glass of wine in my

644
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,080
hand

645
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,280
um so you know i i one of my big fri

646
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,360
so let's just say as an example i lived

647
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,960
in bluefield west virginia

648
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:01,039
i was a news anchor for an nbc affiliate

649
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,080
there and

650
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,400
as an example i'm not using this to say

651
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,919
that that was the station or

652
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,520
i'm just giving this as a local news

653
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:09,679
example many of you can relate to the

654
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,480
local news

655
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:13,919
story so bluefield west virginia there

656
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,559
was one

657
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,760
evening where the local kroger was going

658
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:18,880
out of business

659
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,919
and that was our top story now obviously

660
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,760
it affected jobs and the people were

661
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,960
people going to shop but that was the

662
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,080
top story

663
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,000
okay i remember having to go and cover

664
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,840
that i was the main news anchor they

665
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,360
sent me down in the news car

666
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,039
had to go get interviews with the store

667
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,720
owners customers how it would affect the

668
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:36,000
community et cetera

669
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,360
and was covering it they were going to

670
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,760
be out of business in a week now

671
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,559
imagine also in the same 24 hour time

672
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,600
span

673
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,760
um you know i'm just throwing it like a

674
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:47,840
keksburg ufo incident happens

675
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,880
where thousands of people see a

676
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,520
fireball streak through the sky right

677
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:54,799
and crash

678
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:58,480
and military shows up and cordons things

679
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,280
off and

680
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,720
you know right well it what always ends

681
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:04,159
up happening with a lot of these local

682
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,840
news stories at least back then i don't

683
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,039
know that it's the same

684
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:09,360
today as much i think we've made some

685
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,480
progress

686
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,400
is that the kroger story would be the

687
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,520
first story

688
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,840
to lead the broadcast and they wouldn't

689
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,280
even mention

690
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,400
the ufo story until like right before

691
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,640
their toss to the weather guy

692
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,000
and it would go something like this and

693
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,760
it was super frustrating

694
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,360
or they would save it for the very end

695
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:28,720
of the show before they're saying good

696
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,280
night

697
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,760
right and they roll the credits and then

698
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:33,280
you know the tonight show with jay leno

699
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,400
starts

700
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:36,480
and so it would go something like this

701
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,679
like they're going to cover the kroger

702
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,960
story and then towards the end of the

703
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,880
broadcast they say

704
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,799
you know was that a bird or a plane in

705
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:44,559
the sky and they'd start playing x-files

706
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,120
music

707
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,240
right every time every time you know

708
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:51,039
well well local residents or area

709
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:51,919
residents

710
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,559
were on were a little scared last night

711
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:56,799
when they saw a fireball shoot through

712
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,600
the sky

713
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,799
you know is it a ufo we don't know they

714
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:02,000
would all be chuckling you know then

715
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,360
they tossed to the weather guy

716
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,760
you know like so jim are we gonna see

717
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,840
any ufos in our forecast

718
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,919
well mary i don't know about that you

719
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,360
know it was always a joke it was always

720
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,480
an aside

721
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:15,120
and so one time fox when i was doing the

722
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,080
show they played

723
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,159
um some like x-files music or something

724
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,840
like that coming back from

725
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,400
from break to into the segment and i

726
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,480
flipped out in the meeting afterwards

727
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,039
i was like no never again this story

728
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,640
should be treated just as importantly as

729
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,679
anything else we do

730
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,440
and we never did it again i don't

731
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:33,039
remember what story it was but

732
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,400
i remember just being upset about it

733
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,240
because it was something i really found

734
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,679
irritating

735
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,679
and it was this it was a way of doing

736
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,440
the story

737
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,240
to get the ratings local news but then

738
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,600
to not

739
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:48,480
take the i don't know take the blame for

740
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,360
doing the story

741
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,799
right like you could always get away

742
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,440
with it by adding some music and having

743
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,720
a little funny chuckles with your

744
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,520
weather guy

745
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:58,080
and it's it really irritated me as you

746
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:58,960
can tell it still

747
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,880
still does yeah and i get that i mean

748
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,760
there have been

749
00:25:07,630 --> 00:25:06,080
several times i've been interviewed for

750
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:07,640
news segments uh

751
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,400
pre-2017 new york times and post

752
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,799
where you still you get the smirk from

753
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,600
the anchor

754
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,360
and look it it has a lot to do with the

755
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,960
person interviewing you

756
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,480
as well if someone like you were

757
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,400
interviewing me like you bet your ass

758
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,240
we're both gonna be super serious

759
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,840
but when you have someone who's not

760
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,159
entrenched in this doesn't understand

761
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,320
the seriousness of it or the potential

762
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,679
threat of it from a

763
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,559
military angle uh it's gonna be

764
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,520
completely different

765
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,760
so yeah i'm sure it is a case-to-case

766
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,919
basis but you're right i remember

767
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,480
growing up in uh my hometown of syracuse

768
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,120
new york whenever the topic of ufos was

769
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:46,000
discussed on our local news it was it

770
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,960
was the last

771
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,679
maybe minute of the news leading into

772
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,039
something else and it's like well

773
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,080
wait what tell us more like what's right

774
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,360
did like what happened after that and

775
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,960
you never got that story

776
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,200
so it's so good when you have time to

777
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,240
stretch out

778
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,640
and actually talk about it so um no

779
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:06,159
that's that's awesome it's good to hear

780
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,640
that you

781
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,159
you kind of told them what's what and

782
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,320
like never do that music again

783
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,120
because oh god so for for loving the

784
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,720
x-files and it's probably one of the

785
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:17,440
most iconic songs of all time now

786
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,440
i'm so damn sick of it right right right

787
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,880
well and you know look i'm no pioneer

788
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,640
there's been so many you know

789
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,159
there's been so many people before me

790
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,600
who have done that kind of stuff and

791
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,600
like george knapp and others who've done

792
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,480
amazing work

793
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,640
right um you know being able to cover

794
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:33,840
this in the news business

795
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,880
and giving it real it's real do in its

796
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,360
place

797
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,360
and i don't know that my little piddly

798
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,200
segments on my show

799
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:43,440
move the needle much at all but you know

800
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,320
i think

801
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:46,559
if anything i don't see it as much i i

802
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,600
don't and i think

803
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,520
i think the new york times story has

804
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,720
maybe has a lot to do with that i think

805
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,880
the fact that it's on the front page now

806
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,880
of newspapers has

807
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,400
you know incredible amount to do with

808
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,159
the seriousness of this

809
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,480
um the fact that my old co-host who you

810
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,200
know

811
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,039
tucker who now does these stories

812
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,400
regularly and

813
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,919
who used to sort of mock me in

814
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,520
commercial breaks about it

815
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,679
um and i used to tell him and like feed

816
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,679
him information about what i knew

817
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,440
and people had interviewed and he would

818
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:17,200
like stop and like his tracks and he was

819
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,159
like really

820
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,399
really and uh so we sort of joke about

821
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,080
it now but back then it was like

822
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,880
you know even just a few years ago 2016

823
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,360
was still a joke 2015 still a joke

824
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,960
and i think we're turning the corner now

825
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,960
in the mainstream media i hope

826
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:33,039
i hope so too man well yeah you kind of

827
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,000
you touched on two

828
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,399
of my my next questions for you so let's

829
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:37,919
dive in um the

830
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,399
the new york times article broke and you

831
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,240
know other news outlets started picking

832
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,399
up on the story of this uh

833
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,480
this secret pentagon ufo program and i

834
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,679
mean none of us

835
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,919
saw this coming no one and i think the

836
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,360
ufo world even

837
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:54,159
had any idea this is going on and um

838
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:55,360
credit where credits do

839
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,480
leslie kane uh ralph blumenthal and

840
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:01,200
i um oh man i'm forgetting uh helene

841
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,080
cooper the

842
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,039
pentagon right correspondent um they

843
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,679
they brought forth this amazing story

844
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,200
and it exploded and um

845
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,799
i'd love to get your thoughts you know

846
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:14,159
what were your initial thoughts and

847
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,440
reactions when this thing

848
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,360
broke i mean i woke up and i was like

849
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,480
holy

850
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,240
like all right our world's about to

851
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,799
change and our world changed in many

852
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,960
ways in the past couple of years but um

853
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,279
right what did you think when you first

854
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,760
heard this news of the pentagon had done

855
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,480
secretly

856
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,799
investigating ufos and they had evidence

857
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,559
to show us

858
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,559
i mean i was blown away by it and i was

859
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,240
part of me was super pissed that i had

860
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:39,520
already retired from

861
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,039
television so i was like oh man really

862
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,760
here i leave the show i could have like

863
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,799
i could have you know

864
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,799
done deeper interviews with leslie i

865
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,240
could have gone you know

866
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,480
and i could have conv you know had my

867
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,799
producers send me out to

868
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,559
to san diego i could have you know done

869
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,080
all that stuff i could have you know

870
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,880
sean cahill and all those guys um so in

871
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,520
that

872
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,440
and you know it was right by christmas

873
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,880
time um

874
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,039
and then i remember you jim and i and

875
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,880
micah hanks we did a sort of a round

876
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,919
table that year

877
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,159
right talking about the you know it's

878
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:13,679
amazing and

879
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,360
um so my initial reaction was i hope

880
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,000
that this is the first of many you know

881
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,760
i hope that this is the first of many

882
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:22,720
shoes to drop

883
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,480
and that was 20 2017 it was december

884
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,919
what 15th or 16th of like 2017

885
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,840
and just before christmas so everyone's

886
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,360
kind of paying attention to their

887
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,880
christmas shopping and

888
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,200
i i wish that it would have had i mean

889
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,840
in our community i think it had major

890
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,080
reverberations i

891
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,840
i just at the end of the day i wonder

892
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,000
you know it really got me thinking like

893
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,679
this is the biggest story this could

894
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:47,440
potentially be the biggest story of all

895
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,919
time

896
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,440
i remember having this conversation with

897
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,919
tucker carlson who was my co-host and

898
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,039
and went on to host his own show and we

899
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,600
would talk off camera and you know

900
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,080
i would say i i don't know i can't think

901
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,600
of a bigger story and he said there is

902
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,600
no bigger story like this should be the

903
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,080
biggest story of all time

904
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:08,960
and great for him for like continuing

905
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,279
and

906
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,720
over the years you know say what you

907
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,080
want about

908
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,720
fox it's politics hit whatever like i'm

909
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,919
just separating this

910
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,159
from that so just you know because

911
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,760
there's a lot i don't agree with him in

912
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,279
politics like that let's not

913
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,840
confuse the two at all um i think you

914
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,279
know that about me but

915
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,360
let's just talk about this story this

916
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:30,799
issue this coverage

917
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,240
and i was just i was in shock and then

918
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,399
yes more shoes started to drop and just

919
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,679
recently so

920
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
i think we're starting to see the fruits

921
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,440
of this and i think

922
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,279
hopefully it seems like more shoes are

923
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,840
about to drop and so i think

924
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,080
wow if i just wonder though do the

925
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:49,520
american people

926
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,720
see it this way i just i'm curious to me

927
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,440
this is like the most mind-altering

928
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,039
earth-shattering

929
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,480
story in in my lifetime

930
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,960
and to know that this is here to know

931
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,399
that this exists

932
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,399
to know that these pilots are watching

933
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,799
craft fire into the ocean

934
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,840
and move at speeds that they that

935
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:14,399
not even you know the the minutemen air

936
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,279
missiles

937
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,679
not could even come close to the speeds

938
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,440
how what do we attribute that to and do

939
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,440
do most of most people who are walking

940
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,240
around worrying about paying their bills

941
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,240
who can't even put food on their table

942
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,159
can't pay rent

943
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,760
how does this sit with them and so th

944
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,760
it's a it's a weird kind of story to be

945
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:33,039
sitting right now in the middle of this

946
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,240
like sort of pandemic

947
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,559
backdrop and all of this you know i i

948
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,399
kind of i think about those things

949
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,120
and i mean i think a lot of us do and um

950
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:43,120
yeah i mean it's exciting and we're

951
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,080
getting

952
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,840
more information than i think we ever

953
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
have on the ufo topic within

954
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,080
you know official dumb or government but

955
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,080
i think you're right i think you know

956
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,159
whether i don't want to get too

957
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,919
conspiratorial but you know whether it

958
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,919
was planned to drop these things now

959
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,519
in the middle of a pandemic where people

960
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,200
will not pay attention

961
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,440
or you know the department of defense

962
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,159
officially releasing those ufo videos

963
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,519
uh right when the pandemic was kind of

964
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,640
ramping up uh you do have to wonder are

965
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,000
these things sort of

966
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,919
dropped on knowing that a lot of the

967
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,600
public won't be paying attention

968
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:20,240
and maybe maybe not but i think you're

969
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,799
right

970
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,399
clayton i mean i wake up every morning

971
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,880
being like how how has the world not

972
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,159
reacted to the news

973
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,720
that like the pentagon was briefed on

974
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,600
off-world

975
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,440
vehicles that's something i wanted to

976
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:32,799
ask you about as well

977
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,240
or you know um signatures of life on

978
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,600
venus

979
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,840
within the last few weeks i mean this is

980
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,840
like mind-blowing things that could

981
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,000
potentially change our entire world

982
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,960
but i think you're right you know we we

983
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,880
are creatures just trying to survive

984
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,760
right now in a very uncertain time and

985
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,640
people are out of work and um people are

986
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,080
trying to figure out how the hell

987
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,760
they're gonna pay their bills next month

988
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:58,559
and

989
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,840
these amazing things are happening but

990
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,919
does anyone care that that's a really

991
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,519
good question

992
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,399
i once had a co-host and uh i won't name

993
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,720
i won't name her name but uh

994
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,559
we were talking about this and i had

995
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:13,760
spoken to

996
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,519
a couple of high-ranking generals who

997
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:20,000
told me some things that would you know

998
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:20,720
would

999
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,240
probably to be careful here um

1000
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,720
confirm a lot of what we know think

1001
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,600
about

1002
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:30,240
these secret programs etc and i remember

1003
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,039
having a co

1004
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:34,240
uh co-host uh who said in a break

1005
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,720
because i

1006
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,559
mentioned this and talking about in the

1007
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,559
air so how can you think we're alone

1008
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,960
like i think it's kind of i don't want

1009
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,000
to say arrogant

1010
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,200
but to think that this is it like

1011
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:48,159
here i am in sweatpants like this is it

1012
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:48,880
this is the

1013
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:51,760
the highest epitome of the universe is

1014
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,000
you're

1015
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,120
looking at it you know like really um

1016
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,279
and with all of the data that we now

1017
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,640
have and all and

1018
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,559
and uh she said to me she said yeah just

1019
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,080
you know uh but

1020
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,240
what does it i it has no effect on me

1021
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,840
and my daughter or something like that

1022
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,399
um

1023
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,840
i don't know how she said it i just

1024
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,440
remember thinking like but that's

1025
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,079
probably how a lot of people think like

1026
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,919
what does this have to do with me going

1027
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,960
home after work

1028
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,960
right having to take care of my daughter

1029
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,079
and

1030
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,839
that is a pr i remember even tweeting

1031
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,839
about a recent ufo story on

1032
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:24,240
on twitter and and someone saying will

1033
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,879
it help me

1034
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:27,520
get my stimulus check and so you're

1035
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,159
right

1036
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:30,159
to release this kind of information now

1037
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:31,359
and i think we need to go back to

1038
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,480
something you said

1039
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,720
because it's i think it's very true and

1040
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,679
i think and

1041
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,280
don't undercut don't under count what

1042
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,879
you just said and i hope your audience

1043
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,240
hears that

1044
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,359
this idea that oh they like

1045
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,599
maybe they just released this because it

1046
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,200
was time for them to release this

1047
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,760
or they release it because they knew it

1048
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,760
would be downplayed they could bury it

1049
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:53,119
they could hide it

1050
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,800
we now have enough information about how

1051
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,879
our government lies to us

1052
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:59,040
to i think err on the side of your

1053
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,920
comments

1054
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,960
rather than think that

1055
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,720
it's just a coincidence that these

1056
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,079
things happen in this way

1057
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,160
we've seen enough evidence of this now

1058
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,560
at in every major department of the us

1059
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,440
government

1060
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,280
and it's it's frightening i mean it is

1061
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,960
absolutely frightening to be both

1062
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,720
in the journalism world where we covered

1063
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,320
these things where we covered

1064
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,400
departments lying hiding covering up

1065
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,480
targeting certain groups

1066
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,520
uh to the other side of it um so i i

1067
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:27,119
i i want to commend you for bringing

1068
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,240
that up because i really think that

1069
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,680
that's the case and i think

1070
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,520
yeah we can't put a to to find a point

1071
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,960
on if we all believe that the government

1072
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,560
is just sitting there

1073
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,160
has our best interests at heart we need

1074
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,320
to to get our heads examined

1075
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:41,119
right yeah and you know so many former

1076
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,240
military people

1077
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,720
and uh officials within government have

1078
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,920
told me the same thing

1079
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,640
you know uh yeah like a lot of the times

1080
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,040
we have lied and we have hidden and

1081
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,960
it's for a reason and there's times

1082
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,640
where i understand that

1083
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,960
you know there's national security and

1084
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,760
and things of this

1085
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,440
nature but then there comes a point

1086
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:02,000
where um you know you can't put that

1087
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,440
genie back in the bottle you can't

1088
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,680
expect the public to believe

1089
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:08,400
what you say when you have lied to us so

1090
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,119
much

1091
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:11,520
in the past and right and look like i'm

1092
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,320
i'm

1093
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,320
i consider myself a pretty patriotic

1094
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,599
person i love

1095
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:18,000
america i love i'm feel so fortunate to

1096
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:18,880
live here

1097
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,960
but um you know i for not for a second

1098
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,440
would i say oh the government's gonna

1099
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,520
tell us the truth about ufos cool

1100
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,440
i'm gonna believe everything they say

1101
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,760
and you sort of see that happening now

1102
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,720
in this world clayton where uh you know

1103
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,079
ufo people have been

1104
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,160
screaming for decades don't trust the

1105
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,000
government they've lied to us about ufos

1106
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:43,200
for so long and then boom you know now

1107
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:44,079
they're telling us

1108
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,680
we're creating a task force to

1109
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:47,440
investigate them we're gonna we're gonna

1110
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,320
figure this out

1111
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,599
and everyone's like yeah yay finally

1112
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,800
and you have to wonder you know

1113
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,599
right how has the public been so quick

1114
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,119
to be like oh okay we're going to

1115
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,640
believe everything you tell us from here

1116
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,560
on that oh yeah you can have a very open

1117
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:03,520
and honest uh

1118
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,640
uh uh um task force now like senator

1119
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,960
marco rubio who's like yeah okay we

1120
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,320
we're you know more interested to make

1121
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:12,240
sure that this is not china or russians

1122
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,560
and

1123
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,320
uh you know we hope that they haven't

1124
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,160
made some sort of technological leap and

1125
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,599
yeah we want to check into this and you

1126
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,599
know it's a national security risk and

1127
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,640
we should be something we should be

1128
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,400
looking into

1129
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,960
i i just find it incredibly hard to

1130
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,320
believe

1131
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,040
given the you know just finishing up

1132
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,640
reading bob woodward's new book

1133
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:33,760
rage um by the way it's funny to read

1134
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,560
like look at the covers for rage in

1135
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,680
other languages

1136
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,359
like when you see like the book covers

1137
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,680
in portuguese and spanish and

1138
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,599
they all have their one word to describe

1139
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,800
rage you know

1140
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,079
anyway it's about president trump and

1141
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,119
but you you get to see the level of

1142
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,320
pinpoint precision intelligence on north

1143
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,599
korea

1144
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,400
and minute by minute movement of small

1145
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,680
little things

1146
00:38:01,109 --> 00:38:00,320
inside of north korea you mean to tell

1147
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,119
me

1148
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,160
that they wouldn't be concerned with

1149
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,359
vehicles flying over malstrom air force

1150
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,119
base or god knows where else

1151
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,760
turning off nuclear missiles come on

1152
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,800
come on man

1153
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,119
right yeah yeah and we have so many

1154
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,960
instances where this has

1155
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,200
apparently happened where these unknown

1156
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,280
craft have turned on turned off these

1157
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,200
things you look at rendelsham

1158
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,599
uh maelstrom like you mentioned that

1159
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,119
there's no way this isn't

1160
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,040
a concern so i guess why we're on that

1161
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,560
topic clayton of the

1162
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,599
uap task force do you think we're going

1163
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,440
to get anything from this as the public

1164
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:37,280
we know there's going to be a classified

1165
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,320
nature to it

1166
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,000
and that's probably where all of it's

1167
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,599
going to lie but um

1168
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,520
are we are are we going to get anything

1169
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,720
from this task force

1170
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,720
or is this project blue book all over

1171
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,720
again where yeah they say they're gonna

1172
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:50,880
look into it but then it just turns out

1173
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,599
they're gonna explain it all away and

1174
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,800
and

1175
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,760
you know bury it again what do you think

1176
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,520
i think the cat is out of the bag

1177
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,839
at this point i think when you have you

1178
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,839
know senator harry reid you have marco

1179
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:05,920
rubio you have others

1180
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,960
and i think it's too hard

1181
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,800
in this information age to put that

1182
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,240
genie back in that bottle

1183
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,079
cat in a bag genie in a bottle i don't

1184
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,710
but um i think yeah we won't get the

1185
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:22,320
full story we will never get the full

1186
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,119
story

1187
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,560
um but i think that yes i i have some

1188
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:29,119
hope i just like if you ask me as a as

1189
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,920
an empath

1190
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,760
you know that's i i feel it in my

1191
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,640
stomach that we're we've turned a corner

1192
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,480
and we are going to start to get this

1193
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,280
information um

1194
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,359
i don't know with the you know my big

1195
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,960
fear of course is

1196
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,640
all the focus on this sort of transfer

1197
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,079
of power and what's going to happen

1198
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,599
inside of a new administration

1199
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,760
and what things get shaken up and what

1200
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,880
sort of committees get

1201
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,680
quashed and pushed aside and resources

1202
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,359
and money transferred

1203
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,599
but look you look at joe biden um you

1204
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:59,520
know here's a guy who voted for the iraq

1205
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,000
war

1206
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,960
20 increase in military spending um he

1207
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,920
is not a guy

1208
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,880
uh who is going to cut military spending

1209
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,160
he's not going to cut these types of

1210
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:10,640
programs like if you're if you're like a

1211
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,040
deep

1212
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,960
progressive who's hoping that we would

1213
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,560
end our footprint in the middle east et

1214
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,680
cetera et cetera

1215
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,920
that's not going to happen so do not

1216
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,480
look for these programs to dry up i'm

1217
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,640
telling you like these guys

1218
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,000
joe biden donald trump they

1219
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,680
they have these guys in their pockets i

1220
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:30,079
mean they have billions of dollars in

1221
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,760
contracts with these people

1222
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,920
these cut defense contractors rely on

1223
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,359
the you know this 20

1224
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,760
increase in defense department spending

1225
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,440
um the fact that we're spending 900

1226
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,359
billion dollars a year

1227
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,520
we have these programs in place to check

1228
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,720
and find this out now we

1229
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,280
we have them on the record telling us

1230
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,960
that this committee will direct

1231
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,599
the dni you know in consultation with

1232
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,359
the secretary of defense and the heads

1233
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,960
of these other agencies

1234
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,359
publicly we know this now to submit a

1235
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,119
report with 180 days

1236
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,359
of the enactment of the act right to the

1237
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,640
congressional intelligence and armed

1238
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,920
services committee

1239
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,040
on unidentified aerial phenomenon so

1240
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,960
okay we now know it's public record

1241
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:10,400
where is it going to go why don't we see

1242
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,119
this report

1243
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,720
can you tell us what's in it is it empty

1244
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,920
is there nothing in here just weather

1245
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,960
balloons

1246
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,200
there's going to be something and maybe

1247
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,960
this is the first step to them

1248
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,040
letting the full cat out of the bag i i

1249
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,720
don't know i'm hopeful i'm hopeful

1250
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:25,040
okay okay that's good because we need

1251
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,319
that hopeful uh

1252
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,319
part to all this because there's so many

1253
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,200
who who have said we've been here before

1254
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,280
well let's talk about you know the this

1255
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,599
task force sort of came to be

1256
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:38,319
through the pressure of um one

1257
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,119
particular

1258
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,160
group and that is to the stars academy

1259
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,800
whether you love them or hate them tom

1260
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,560
delong

1261
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,960
you know uh christopher mellon luis

1262
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:49,920
elizondo

1263
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,599
these guys have pushed a lot of

1264
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,359
people that they used to work with

1265
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,280
within the government in corners

1266
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,280
and said give us the information or

1267
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,000
we're gonna we will find ways to get it

1268
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,560
um so what do you make of this group i

1269
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,520
mean they're

1270
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,800
you know they're kind of at the

1271
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,560
forefront right now when you think of

1272
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:09,760
ufo

1273
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,560
poster child right now

1274
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,640
so you do what do you think about this

1275
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,000
group and what they're doing

1276
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,640
so i mean let's just go back to 2017

1277
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,599
right which

1278
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,920
the reason that we have these clips

1279
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:24,720
these

1280
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:31,119
is because of to the stars academy right

1281
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:32,240
and then

1282
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,839
the pentagon coming out in april

1283
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:38,319
and determining and admitting yet yet

1284
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,280
that those are

1285
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,240
on those unclassified videos they don't

1286
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,240
reveal any sensitive capabilities but

1287
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:45,599
we're going to admit basically that

1288
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,319
they're real

1289
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:48,800
and the dod then released the videos

1290
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,520
also

1291
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,280
i mean it all started with them so it's

1292
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:53,280
very easy for keyboard cowboys who are

1293
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,000
sitting back

1294
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,280
not doing anything to uh criticize

1295
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,760
that you can have disagreements with

1296
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,280
different things that they've done or

1297
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,960
the way that they've approached sort of

1298
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,440
a drip

1299
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,040
campaign of things etc etc but

1300
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,520
i think it's exciting i mean i i like to

1301
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,119
give people the benefit of the doubt i'm

1302
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,079
sort of a glass

1303
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,960
half full kind of a guy to begin with i

1304
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,839
remember tom

1305
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,760
number of years ago talking about their

1306
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,680
approach to this and i thought the

1307
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:21,520
approach was really fascinating which

1308
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,319
was

1309
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,400
we're going to have an entertainment arm

1310
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,079
which could help desensitize

1311
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,640
people to the story and you know read

1312
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,760
their books read their

1313
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,920
and i think you could see that i think

1314
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,000
you could understand that if people

1315
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,400
are able to sort of digest that these

1316
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,319
government programs are here that this

1317
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,280
is happening that they've been

1318
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,800
researching this for years this sort of

1319
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,800
drip campaign of entertainment

1320
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,880
or sort of it's like preparing us for it

1321
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,720
in a way because

1322
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,560
maybe we weren't ready for it before i

1323
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,760
don't know and i don't know that that's

1324
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,200
the right approach

1325
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:54,000
it's an interesting take so i i'm not

1326
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,960
one of those per

1327
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,280
people that is um out with the

1328
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,880
pitchforks for them and and

1329
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:01,119
has a negative feeling towards it i i

1330
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,319
think

1331
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,160
they brought they they've shined a light

1332
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,920
on something that we didn't know about

1333
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,319
we've had confirmation of it now because

1334
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,160
of it and they're continuing to do this

1335
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,680
work and let's see what they get

1336
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,920
i think it's exciting let's take what we

1337
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,160
can get instead of like you said

1338
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,079
using pitchforks and this and that and

1339
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,000
look i understand you know there's

1340
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,480
there's independent ufo researchers all

1341
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,000
over the world who have busted their

1342
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,160
asses for decades just to like

1343
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,359
get any piece of the puzzle and

1344
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,480
to uh you know find answers or

1345
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,960
or whatnot and a lot of them sacrifice

1346
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:35,839
their

1347
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,440
uh right and haven't ever gotten the

1348
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:45,200
attention or acknowledgement like this

1349
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,920
group has

1350
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,960
but i'm all for anyone who's willing to

1351
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,000
get this topic out

1352
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,760
there and uh get it out to the

1353
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,440
mainstream and

1354
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,920
i'm gonna ride the wave man look if

1355
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,440
these guys are doing their thing

1356
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,760
i'm gonna do mine like we we all have a

1357
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,800
place in this

1358
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,480
i think it's what's most important you

1359
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,960
know when you have former military

1360
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,359
and uh intelligence officials looking at

1361
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,200
this as a potential threat

1362
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,359
uh that's one thing but then for every

1363
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,040
one of those there's

1364
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:15,440
hundreds of civilians who have witnessed

1365
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,079
things

1366
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,240
that i want to go talk to and i want to

1367
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,560
get to know and hear their thoughts so

1368
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,640
i think yeah there is a there's room at

1369
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,839
the table for everyone

1370
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,280
right and i think you know some of the

1371
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:27,200
generals and and governors that i've

1372
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,319
spoken to

1373
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:31,599
off camera off the record um who have

1374
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,079
told me

1375
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,480
things that confirming and corroborating

1376
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,839
a lot of what we hear

1377
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,640
and to them to say you know that they

1378
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,680
and i can tell

1379
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,440
in their way that they're telling me

1380
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,720
that they felt

1381
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:45,119
that these stories should be told that

1382
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,079
these things need

1383
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,240
like they don't feel like these things

1384
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,240
these are secrets that should be held by

1385
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,839
the us military

1386
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,079
these are not things that should be that

1387
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,319
withheld from the american public

1388
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,640
or the world for that matter and so i

1389
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,520
can

1390
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,280
in my discussions with them over the

1391
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,599
time um many many years

1392
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:06,000
i know that this is like an unburdening

1393
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,280
in some ways and this is

1394
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,839
uh they're happy about it this is a

1395
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,760
confirmation a wink wink yes

1396
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,240
like we've known this this is just the

1397
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,240
tip of the iceberg kind of stuff

1398
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,160
see that's awesome that's invigorating

1399
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,000
to hear that even those who once

1400
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:22,400
had to suppress the information are like

1401
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:23,119
finally

1402
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:27,440
right we can only hope you know

1403
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,119
i'm sure there's many roswell witnesses

1404
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,960
who wish they had that opportunity when

1405
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:33,920
they were alive

1406
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
and now they'll never they're not they

1407
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,800
won't be there the day we finally

1408
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,960
know what roswell was if that ever

1409
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,079
happened right

1410
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,520
right i guess moving back to um

1411
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,359
to the media for a minute i'd love to

1412
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:48,640
get your thoughts on this

1413
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,160
um conspiracy theory it is something

1414
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,200
that has become

1415
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,839
quite popular you know as of late with

1416
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,319
um

1417
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,640
you know even up to the last few days

1418
00:47:01,349 --> 00:47:00,560
with national news covering things like

1419
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,359
q anon

1420
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,839
and you know other baseless conspiracy

1421
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,480
theories

1422
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,359
um you know to the point where a militia

1423
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,319
group just

1424
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:11,040
was thwarted from kidnapping a governor

1425
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,760
of a state

1426
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,240
right um because they believed they were

1427
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,160
handling the pandemic

1428
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,119
in a not so good way and taking away our

1429
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,720
rights blah blah blah blah

1430
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,280
this is the type of real world danger

1431
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,000
that has come

1432
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,559
i think sort of from this radicalization

1433
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,640
of conspiracy theory so

1434
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,559
uh what do you think about what's

1435
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,400
happening in our country right now with

1436
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,920
the internet and um

1437
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:36,079
conspiracy theory has it evolved

1438
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:37,359
devolved and

1439
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:40,960
where do ufos lay in all of that

1440
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,839
i hope well i guess my 30 000 foot level

1441
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:45,920
view is that i hope that ufos

1442
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:48,559
and that study you know whether it's

1443
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,359
talking about

1444
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,559
you know life on venus or

1445
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,760
us getting to mars uh or you know

1446
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,040
discussions about

1447
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,680
off-world vehicles and materials that

1448
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,520
luis salazando has talked about like i

1449
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:03,599
hope that doesn't get caught up in this

1450
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,960
and corrupted but there's such a

1451
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,880
propensity for misinformation and i

1452
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,920
think the sad thing

1453
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,280
i think the thing that i think people

1454
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,720
need one of the things i've been really

1455
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,839
trying to fight on

1456
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,839
on my morning show i do called morning

1457
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,520
invest every morning is

1458
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:20,000
i i really try to shine a light on the

1459
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,520
fact that you're being lied to

1460
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,400
by the mainstream media every day you're

1461
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,760
being spoon-fed

1462
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,400
by the mainstream media every day you

1463
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,000
know people forget that it's a

1464
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,640
for-profit organization so you're

1465
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,800
watching msnbc you're watching cnn

1466
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,160
you're watching fox you're watching any

1467
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:37,920
of these channels and they're all

1468
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,440
they're all for-profit massive companies

1469
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,520
that have an agenda they have a

1470
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,440
narrative they have a story

1471
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,200
and they know their audience and they're

1472
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,800
not going to tell you

1473
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,280
the more difficult pieces of that story

1474
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,480
so msnbc

1475
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,200
is not going to tell you go deeper into

1476
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,800
stories about fracking

1477
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,319
is not going to talk about what's going

1478
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,319
on in upstate pennsylvania with

1479
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,359
groundwater in in and is going to sort

1480
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,880
of cover over the

1481
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,720
kamala harris talking about fracking

1482
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,400
it's like you know there's

1483
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,880
so i think it's hard for people to

1484
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,720
swallow because you're all we're also

1485
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,640
spoon fed these things and you might be

1486
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:16,240
a fan of rachel maddow you might be a

1487
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,200
fan of uh

1488
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,720
tucker carlson you might be a fan of

1489
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,240
hannity you might be a fan of

1490
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,880
joy read whatever it is to me all i'm

1491
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,520
saying is

1492
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,160
i want people to really start thinking

1493
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,079
outside of these sources

1494
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,440
because there's a whole world out there

1495
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:34,079
of people in the united states there's a

1496
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,640
hundred

1497
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:37,599
million people that don't vote 100

1498
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,400
million

1499
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,720
it's awful but here's what's so sad

1500
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,839
about this

1501
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,359
and i don't know i don't want to get

1502
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,119
into politics here but i think it's so

1503
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,800
important i'm an independent let me just

1504
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,079
say that first and foremost i've been

1505
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:50,160
i've been an independent for years

1506
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,520
people think oh you're a fox you're a

1507
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,760
conservative no i was a like progressive

1508
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,599
liberal guy from philly and yet i don't

1509
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,440
think the democratic party so

1510
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,359
either way i think that they're product

1511
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:00,960
of the same

1512
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,720
huge corporate elite agenda

1513
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,319
and the reason that you see wall street

1514
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,160
doing just fine is because if

1515
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,880
biden wins they'll be fine if trump wins

1516
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,160
they'll be fine

1517
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:14,240
because they're all part of this same

1518
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,359
machine

1519
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,440
you know why during the dnc didn't we

1520
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,440
hear the democrats talking about

1521
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,720
a really strong green energy policy

1522
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,800
why didn't we hear them talking about

1523
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,240
public education

1524
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,520
for all medicare for all uh universal

1525
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,640
health care

1526
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,240
all of those things just got swept under

1527
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:33,760
the rug why didn't

1528
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,640
why did we same thing with the rnc it's

1529
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,400
just an extension of the same stuff

1530
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,240
and so there's not much that changes i

1531
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:42,079
have little bits of tape changes that

1532
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,040
tax code and

1533
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,720
grover my dog agrees with me because he

1534
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,920
hears me talking about this every

1535
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,200
morning on my show

1536
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,119
and he gets fired up about it so here

1537
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,400
here girl

1538
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,720
yeah so he understands so you know i

1539
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,440
think

1540
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,440
the thing is that if people can start to

1541
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,880
look at the media

1542
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,440
the mainstream media as in fact in many

1543
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:00,880
ways like an enemy

1544
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:04,160
of truth and they can really start to

1545
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,880
question

1546
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,520
everything that they're watching i can

1547
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,480
really start to

1548
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,800
to open us up to these ideas that we can

1549
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,640
get more truth out there

1550
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,480
for and i think when people are

1551
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,480
supporting your show

1552
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,640
the listeners of your show when they go

1553
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,800
to your website and buy a mug

1554
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,440
buy a t-shirt like they are supporting

1555
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,200
independent journalism

1556
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:27,440
the work that you do on this show is

1557
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,400
phenomenal

1558
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
the stories that you uncover the

1559
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,240
interviews you're able to get

1560
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,359
the mainstream media will not cover it

1561
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,359
they will not cover it so i think that

1562
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,960
these conspiracy theories

1563
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,359
are in many ways sort of tailor-made for

1564
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,040
the mainstream media

1565
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,559
and this idea of you know cueing on or

1566
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,319
whatever else like becoming the

1567
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,079
the buzzword of the day it's so easy for

1568
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,319
you to be on facebook and only see the

1569
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,440
feeds that are

1570
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,920
they're tailor-made for you right as a

1571
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:59,599
conspiracy theorist or who's a

1572
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,240
right-wing

1573
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:03,440
person who loves fox news and loves that

1574
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,160
world

1575
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,760
and you can literally be sitting next to

1576
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,440
your spouse and you are

1577
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,520
you're a liberal or you and you can see

1578
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,680
an entirely different news feed

1579
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,480
totally totally constructed differently

1580
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,200
uh that's

1581
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,960
that looks nothing like what your spouse

1582
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,400
is seeing because

1583
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:21,119
it it knows how to talk to you um i

1584
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,240
can't remember the name of the movie we

1585
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,839
just watched it was on next netflix and

1586
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:25,040
i can't i'm drawing a blank

1587
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,720
oh uh yeah i saw that too the social

1588
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:31,680
dilemma the dilemma yes bingo everyone

1589
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,160
should

1590
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,160
it's terrifying the social dilemma and

1591
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,200
it's just how this algorithm works to

1592
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:40,000
to feed this insecurity and this fear so

1593
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,559
if you

1594
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,319
i think what i try to do on my show is

1595
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,880
let you know that like you are a pawn

1596
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,040
and if you know you're a pawn what do

1597
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,040
you do to break that cycle

1598
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,599
and if you are starting to i have a

1599
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,720
friend of mine who's like yeah my

1600
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,319
friends they just went off the deep end

1601
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,680
he's like they were you know they were

1602
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,520
conservative and now they're like all in

1603
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,359
on this q anon's conspiracy

1604
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,960
and they think that this and he's like i

1605
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,480
can't even talk to them anymore they're

1606
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,520
absolutely

1607
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,559
batshit crazy yeah and i don't know

1608
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,520
where it comes from

1609
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,839
i just you just it's like it's adding

1610
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,280
fuel to the fire like if you already

1611
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,200
have that little bit of kindling

1612
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,800
and now you have all of these sort of

1613
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:17,440
like-minded tweets and facebook messages

1614
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,839
being

1615
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,040
thrown at you with all this

1616
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:21,280
misinformation you're like yeah i feel

1617
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,319
that

1618
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:25,200
yeah let's go burn down a building uh

1619
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:25,599
it's

1620
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,440
know

1621
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,200
in the moment when you're living in that

1622
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,520
echo chamber you feel empowered like oh

1623
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,800
someone gets me

1624
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,440
like i'm on the right path uh but like

1625
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:39,359
you said you can be standing next to a

1626
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,319
person

1627
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,400
who has been being fed something

1628
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,319
completely different and

1629
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,640
i i don't know clayton i mean i've never

1630
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,160
really talked about

1631
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:50,240
my private life on the show in terms of

1632
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,359
all of this but

1633
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,480
it affects all of us i mean we've lost

1634
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,480
family members we've lost friends who

1635
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,240
we've had for years who've been through

1636
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:01,119
everything together and then this one

1637
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,520
thing

1638
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,559
whether it's uh politics or um

1639
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,119
you know just certain things that were

1640
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:08,960
were shown on social media

1641
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,559
it it just puts a wall up between you

1642
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,240
and it's terrifying because i'm like

1643
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:16,559
well how are we ever gonna get past that

1644
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,200
or

1645
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:19,520
how do we go back to a time where this

1646
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,559
wasn't and

1647
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,000
you know even in that movie you

1648
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,000
mentioned we can't

1649
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,920
there's there's no going back it's just

1650
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,200
how we move forward

1651
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,920
and i i think you're right i think you

1652
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:32,079
know if we are going to be pawns in this

1653
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:32,559
game

1654
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,559
through this huge elite thing that the

1655
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,520
mainstream media is uh feeding to us um

1656
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:40,720
i think

1657
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:44,000
maybe all we can really do is use them

1658
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,359
like they're using us

1659
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,920
and that's kind of the way i look at uh

1660
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,720
you know

1661
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,599
if i'm doing something on television or

1662
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,280
if i'm being interviewed

1663
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,400
for a mainstream outlet um yeah

1664
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,559
like i respect the anchor interviewing

1665
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,720
me but as a huge corporation

1666
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,720
i don't give a about fox i don't

1667
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,920
care about cnn

1668
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,520
i don't care about any of them they're

1669
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,520
money-making machines like you said

1670
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,520
and if they're gonna have me on i'm

1671
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,440
gonna use that time to get my message

1672
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:12,319
out there

1673
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,520
or what i think and um try to lead

1674
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,960
people to what i do

1675
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,280
and what other independent podcasters

1676
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,119
and and journalists do

1677
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,960
so yeah like like you said if we're

1678
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,799
gonna be upon let's uh

1679
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,440
let's uh let's try to be the the bishop

1680
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,920
or the queen for a little bit

1681
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,079
i love that and look i'm with you man

1682
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,000
like i've had you know i've lost

1683
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,480
i mean look at any time i uh i do my

1684
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,920
youtube show and i i

1685
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,599
you know like i have this theory that

1686
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,760
trump is you know um

1687
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,359
so i did a whole thing today on the show

1688
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,880
about how i think that trump is just

1689
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,839
playing everybody

1690
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,839
and i think that he's totally trying to

1691
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,920
throw the election on purpose

1692
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,160
and here's why because when i was at fox

1693
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,760
in 2016

1694
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,079
months before the election anchors were

1695
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,720
being courted to sort of join a trump tv

1696
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:01,200
network and you know so like and now

1697
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,240
that's happening again

1698
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,160
like this is like they've already laid

1699
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,680
the groundwork he's 1.2 million

1700
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,520
subscribers on his trump tv

1701
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,760
channel uh he does not want to do this

1702
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,119
another four years he never wanted to do

1703
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,640
it in the first place it was all a media

1704
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,240
play to pay off debt and you know to

1705
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:15,280
build a media brand

1706
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:18,640
yeah um and so i i mean it's it's plain

1707
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,119
as day

1708
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,720
i mean it's plainest day anybody can see

1709
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:22,160
it and so like

1710
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,760
i know that i'm gonna have people and

1711
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,119
like on my youtube channel it'll be like

1712
00:56:27,789 --> 00:56:27,119
unsubscribed you know like just the one

1713
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,799
word like

1714
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:30,319
unsubscribe oh yeah i know that okay

1715
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,200
that's fine

1716
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,520
i'm just it's great and i i'm reminded

1717
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,480
today i i

1718
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:37,280
i i wrote this in our newsletter today

1719
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,000
is you know

1720
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,720
here we are in in october it's the 80th

1721
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,599
birthday of

1722
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,599
john lennon the beatle and uh you know

1723
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:45,359
he was such a pioneer for peace and

1724
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,640
and justice and one of the things he

1725
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,040
said was and i think this

1726
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,599
is so powerful given this era of

1727
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,119
misinformation he said

1728
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,200
being honest may not get you a lot of

1729
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,440
friends but it will always get you the

1730
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,799
right ones

1731
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,559
and i just i said that at the top of my

1732
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,920
show today because

1733
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,760
i just feel like you know if you're a

1734
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:05,040
viewer of my show

1735
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,799
you're a follower of my show you're a

1736
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,880
subscriber of of ryan's show

1737
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:11,359
you you're listening you're listening

1738
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,000
and you're you're

1739
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:15,119
open-minded like you might say something

1740
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,400
that might offend somebody else and you

1741
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,000
might crack a few eggs to make an omelet

1742
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,280
you might lose that person but the

1743
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:21,040
person who sticks around the person

1744
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:21,920
who's open

1745
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,640
willing to to to question mainstream

1746
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,400
media to think for themselves

1747
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,880
it's like okay being honest may not get

1748
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:30,000
you a lot of friends but it's going to

1749
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,960
get you the right ones

1750
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,559
and that's the way i look at subscribers

1751
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,559
and viewers of my show now

1752
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,000
you know so many people get caught up in

1753
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,599
the popularity game

1754
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:39,040
and that's what mainstream media is you

1755
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:40,640
know how can we just like say the much

1756
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,280
crap

1757
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,440
to try to get the most eyeballs i'm more

1758
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,440
interested in getting the right eyeballs

1759
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,599
and that's what's more interesting to me

1760
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:50,000
i like that and you know i have fallen

1761
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:51,440
victim to

1762
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,359
passion tweeting or angry facebooking

1763
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,640
like everyone else man and like i i

1764
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,599
always regret it you know and my my

1765
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,319
wonderful

1766
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:05,200
partner taught me you know write it out

1767
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,400
type it out

1768
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,559
think about it for a minute and then see

1769
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:10,559
if you still want to send it and my god

1770
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:11,680
man that changed

1771
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,799
everything because i have i've i've lost

1772
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,720
friends i've lost supporters

1773
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,440
and um it gets harder and harder the

1774
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:21,599
more you get closer to an election or

1775
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,240
something

1776
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,880
and then you start to realize holy

1777
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,359
like

1778
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,440
i have been manipulated to think this

1779
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:29,359
way and to tweet because every tweet i

1780
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,079
put out

1781
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:32,240
is more for the algorithm and more for

1782
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,359
this and it just

1783
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,920
feeds the machine who gives a about

1784
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:38,000
biden who gives a about trump like

1785
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,119
at the end of the day

1786
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,280
we want what's best for our family for

1787
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,319
our friends

1788
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:45,200
and uh for our fellow neighbor and uh if

1789
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,319
we all could

1790
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:48,559
realize that and stop feeding the

1791
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,760
divisiveness

1792
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,160
i think we'd get we'd get somewhere and

1793
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,480
i hope i hope that could happen someday

1794
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,000
i i fear

1795
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,720
we've kind of gone past it but hey look

1796
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,240
sometimes you gotta

1797
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,480
you gotta break everything down before

1798
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,240
you build it back up but um

1799
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,079
i completely agree with you you know i i

1800
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,079
can have friends on both sides

1801
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:10,160
and uh i think that's important to

1802
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,119
realize what's

1803
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:14,079
actually at stake and what's actually

1804
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,599
important and that's

1805
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,640
these things like climate change or

1806
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,440
how to stop this pandemic it's not about

1807
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,040
what trump thinks or

1808
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,280
what biden thinks or kamala harris or

1809
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,720
pence or whatever

1810
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,280
these are just like these are just

1811
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:31,440
cartoons that they put in front of us

1812
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,079
you know

1813
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,000
just like parts of a puppet machine

1814
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,680
and we just need to think for ourselves

1815
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:39,280
and i think i that's why i just will say

1816
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,839
this on

1817
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:42,079
the politics piece i think if i could

1818
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,359
leave in part anything

1819
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,359
on politics to your audience something

1820
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,799
that i'm passionate about it's about

1821
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,480
like the state of maine

1822
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:51,119
ranked choice voting the only state in

1823
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:51,839
the country

1824
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,559
right now that has ranked choice voting

1825
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,480
and it's been upheld in the courts

1826
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,359
and so this election cycle um depending

1827
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,880
on when you're listening to this

1828
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,559
hopefully before the election but

1829
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,839
nevertheless if you live in the state of

1830
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:05,440
maine you have ranked choice voting

1831
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,640
which means you get to vote your

1832
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,520
conscience so

1833
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,599
if you think that joe jorgensen the

1834
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,280
libertarian candidates right for you

1835
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,920
and or you think howie hawkins the green

1836
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:15,599
party candidate is right for you

1837
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,799
and you know or whatever you can rank

1838
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:20,000
choice your vote

1839
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,280
so that means you could pick howie

1840
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,440
hawkins as your top choice

1841
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,960
and then you're like okay well if howie

1842
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,559
doesn't get 50 of the vote like if he

1843
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:29,359
doesn't then then then the second choice

1844
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:33,520
you can pick joe biden third you want

1845
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,160
donald trump great whatever and you can

1846
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,760
do it in that order and get and

1847
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,680
the beauty of it is you can still vote

1848
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,440
your conscience but if that particular

1849
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,880
candidate doesn't get the act

1850
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:44,960
the requisite number then it drops to

1851
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,920
the second choice

1852
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,599
and third and fourth and it goes down

1853
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:49,599
and it's they've been doing it through

1854
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,480
their primaries

1855
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,160
and it's been fantastic and there's

1856
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,920
literally no downside and

1857
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,520
now they've got it for the presidential

1858
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,599
election and i'm super jealous of you

1859
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,240
mainers so anyone's listening in maine

1860
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,680
i mean this is like this is what our

1861
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,359
democracy needs not this

1862
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,319
two-party system that's totally corrupt

1863
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:08,319
but the ability for other voices to

1864
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:09,200
emerge

1865
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,799
believe them and they're struck then

1866
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,799
guess what people can vote their

1867
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,480
conscience and somebody who

1868
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,079
carries a message that's not bought and

1869
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,000
sold by big corporations

1870
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:22,480
that stands by us could actually emerge

1871
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,520
so that's my little

1872
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,760
ranked choice of voting psa for this

1873
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,559
evening i

1874
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,880
love it man well hey i mean it's true

1875
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:30,880
though you know at least you can leave

1876
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,400
knowing like i voted for who i wanted

1877
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,240
to instead of being forced to vote for

1878
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,000
one of the you know the main

1879
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:40,000
the main people not from maine but the

1880
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,119
main people out there

1881
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:44,000
right so um that's that's cool i i do

1882
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,400
hope

1883
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:46,559
things move more in that direction but

1884
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,760
you know if

1885
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,000
if politics teach us anything it's that

1886
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,240
it all it does is divide us

1887
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,200
and that's unfortunate so i'm glad that

1888
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:56,880
this ufo topic

1889
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:00,480
um can pretty much remain bipartisan um

1890
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,680
again it's much bigger than politics or

1891
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:06,400
or nations or continents it could change

1892
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,960
the world

1893
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:09,520
so um i guess kind of moving back to

1894
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,240
that

1895
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,559
i gotta ask you being from pennsylvania

1896
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:14,319
you did mention it throughout this

1897
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,240
episode um kexpert 1965 ufo incident

1898
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:20,480
this is one of my favorites um as i'm

1899
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:21,280
sure it is

1900
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,160
you being a local pennsylvanian um did

1901
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:26,240
you grow up with this story clayton or

1902
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,559
uh

1903
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,599
yeah what do you make of the whole

1904
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,839
kecksburg case so i didn't you know my

1905
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,280
parents were fairly ignorant when it

1906
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:33,280
came to ufo-related stuff

1907
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,960
um you know they were blue collar hard

1908
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,440
workers and you know we we had no music

1909
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,720
on in the house they would listen like

1910
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,559
kenny rogers and a few things so

1911
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,559
like any music i would listen to in the

1912
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,680
house was because i

1913
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:45,119
discovered it and the same with like

1914
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,799
keksburg and things like that

1915
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:49,119
um so i went to university of pittsburgh

1916
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,839
and so i

1917
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,280
would drive out from reading

1918
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,599
pennsylvania where my folks lived i

1919
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,359
grew up in philadelphia area and then

1920
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,200
moved to reading pennsylvania and so

1921
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,039
would drive out west and then lived in

1922
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:01,599
in bluefield west virginia so that

1923
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:05,280
perpendicular nexus point of uh

1924
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,319
of kecksburg and that whole area um

1925
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,039
is fascinating to me i mean it's it's

1926
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,720
creepy in and of itself just coming up

1927
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:14,319
from west virginia driving through that

1928
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,920
area we all know uh

1929
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,760
we all know mothman stories and other

1930
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,079
things but driving through those winding

1931
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,440
roads on up through

1932
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,160
through that corridor um in southwestern

1933
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:25,760
uh pennsylvania

1934
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,119
uh is is fascinating and i think

1935
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,960
to me in pennsylvania you know if you

1936
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,119
look at the if you look at the data

1937
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:35,200
for the number of bigfoot sightings and

1938
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,480
ufo sightings

1939
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,559
pennsylvania is like one of the top

1940
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,599
spots

1941
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:41,039
and for me to have like grown up in a

1942
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,839
spot like that it's just been exciting

1943
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,160
um

1944
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:45,760
it's still an unsolved mystery you know

1945
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,200
people want to say

1946
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,440
that of course it was uh you know a

1947
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:51,520
general what was it a general electric i

1948
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,480
forget that the call

1949
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,680
it was a mark ii re-entry vehicle right

1950
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:58,079
like that yeah yeah that that's sort of

1951
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:59,200
okay it was a you know

1952
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,799
no one wanted to admit at the time in

1953
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:02,880
the 60s that were spying on the russians

1954
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:03,440
so

1955
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:05,599
crash landed there and the military of

1956
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,559
course swooped in

1957
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,960
and blocked it off by 8 pm that night

1958
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,720
they hauled away on a truck and

1959
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,960
there's the funny little egg corn statue

1960
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:14,000
up on that stilt

1961
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,280
you know that's still there you can go

1962
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,920
see it um but look i mean

1963
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,599
that part of the country those you know

1964
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,280
people in pittsburgh um

1965
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,760
the you know and i used to read stories

1966
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,599
in the pittsburgh post gazette about it

1967
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,359
and they would do really well thought

1968
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:29,599
out piece of pieces on this i even

1969
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,640
remember

1970
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,039
um in college reading about the stories

1971
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,799
that like dan majors would cover on it

1972
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,160
and even years later

1973
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,839
um would would write about it from the

1974
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,359
pittsburgh post gazette

1975
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,359
and they wouldn't just they wouldn't do

1976
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,680
the the x-files laughing yuck it up kind

1977
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,359
of stuff they would actually do

1978
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,599
like some some deep dive stories on this

1979
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,039
with some really good reporting

1980
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:51,760
interviewing um people from the mu you

1981
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,680
know mutual ufo network from that area

1982
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,720
so

1983
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,480
it's been fascinating i think it is the

1984
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,000
most famous

1985
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:01,440
ufo story from pennsylvania what drew

1986
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,160
you to it

1987
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,640
um growing up i'm just curious is the

1988
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,960
hieroglyphs is it the strange markings

1989
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,119
is it the yeah

1990
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:11,119
uh there's so much with this one man i

1991
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,559
think the hieroglyphs were really

1992
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,240
interesting i mean we've heard this in

1993
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,880
several other cases like rendelsham

1994
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,720
and whatnot that there are these weird

1995
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:21,119
etchings even on the roswell debris

1996
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,480
there were said to have been some sort

1997
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,799
of hieroglyphics or whatnot um

1998
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:26,960
right right there um but even besides

1999
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:28,640
the craft itself

2000
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,079
uh it was the i guess the immediacy

2001
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:35,760
and the uh the cares probably isn't the

2002
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:36,000
right

2003
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,680
word but the way the military came in

2004
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,920
cordoned it off and literally like

2005
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,200
confiscated

2006
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:45,599
homes to to like make their home base

2007
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:46,480
for this thing

2008
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:50,160
it was clearly something extremely

2009
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,839
either dangerous or or top secret

2010
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:55,359
i mean they were kicking people out of

2011
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:57,280
their homes and saying we need this to

2012
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,839
uh

2013
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,680
for communications and for this and for

2014
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,160
recovery and they were silencing

2015
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,160
everyone you know like the local fire

2016
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,760
station was sent in to

2017
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:07,760
stop a fire that happened after the

2018
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,799
crash and

2019
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,880
as soon as the flames were out they said

2020
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:12,319
get out of here and never talk about

2021
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,039
this again

2022
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:15,839
so i think the uh the way the military

2023
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,559
handled it

2024
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,400
was always really intriguing to me i

2025
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:20,160
hadn't really heard about that

2026
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,000
other than roswell at the time when i

2027
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:23,520
got into ufos

2028
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:25,760
so yeah that's what fascinated me most

2029
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,880
is we still don't know what it was

2030
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,880
i think to in the children's siding you

2031
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,079
know because hundreds

2032
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:34,640
of people saw this hundreds so it wasn't

2033
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:35,119
just

2034
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:36,640
you know like a few and it was in the

2035
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,920
middle of the night it was hundreds and

2036
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,680
there's kids playing baseball in the

2037
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,359
field i mean there's the ten-year-olds

2038
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,280
playing football in the fields

2039
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,880
to your point you know having the

2040
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,480
two-story house taken over by the

2041
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:48,079
military they'll here you go

2042
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,680
and and here by the way take a phone

2043
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:51,039
with you like here's something right

2044
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:51,599
just you

2045
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,440
just leave like we're taking over your

2046
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,599
house i mean like literally like war

2047
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,280
this was like war like we're gonna take

2048
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,119
over your house in gettysburg and like

2049
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,640
we're kicking you out and this is now a

2050
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:02,400
military house and

2051
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,680
robert e lee is going to sleep here

2052
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,839
tonight so get out of here um

2053
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,400
you know and i think also too i was

2054
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:09,599
because of broadcast

2055
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:12,640
i was fascinated by like kdka radio in

2056
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,280
pittsburgh

2057
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,079
and i you know studied broadcasting at

2058
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:17,839
the university of pittsburgh and

2059
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,240
would it's pittsburgh you know is a

2060
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,160
fascinating broadcasting

2061
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:24,240
i don't know if you know much about that

2062
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,200
thing but like

2063
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,319
the first the first radio station is

2064
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,559
pittsburgh the very first radio station

2065
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,319
started in a garage in

2066
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,240
in pittsburgh pennsylvania and it was

2067
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,240
kdka and it was

2068
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,880
the re it's the only east coast call

2069
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,160
sign with a k

2070
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,319
you know all k signs or i think what

2071
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:44,000
rest west of the rockies i guess

2072
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:47,760
um so kdka is the only east coast

2073
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,240
radio station and all of them are w's

2074
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,440
you know on the west on the east coast

2075
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:53,680
so it's this weird anomaly of kdka radio

2076
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:54,480
and

2077
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,680
that night when that happened um all of

2078
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,680
these people were calling in to kdk

2079
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,400
radio

2080
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,680
so it's pittsburgh you know it's like an

2081
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,000
hour north but still like kdk

2082
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,280
kdka radio became like

2083
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:09,520
that the nexus point for all of these

2084
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,559
people calling in

2085
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:12,960
eyewitnesses talking about what they had

2086
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:13,839
seen

2087
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:16,960
you know and everyone in that town was

2088
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,080
on the radio listening to kdka radio

2089
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,759
and telling them what they had seen

2090
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:23,440
people are saying cars are coming out of

2091
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,080
nowhere

2092
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,480
the military showing up volunteer

2093
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,319
firefighters police

2094
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,080
reporters were flooding into the scene

2095
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,600
at the time um

2096
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,600
you know military personnel coming in it

2097
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,279
was all over the place

2098
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,920
and so you know i think what what really

2099
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:39,600
struck i think the people of kecksburg

2100
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,560
at the time

2101
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:42,880
was just how quickly the military

2102
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:43,839
arrived

2103
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,040
and took charge and took over everything

2104
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,520
so i guess that does raise the question

2105
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:51,359
you know well if they were there that

2106
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:52,480
quickly

2107
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,520
in 1965 was it

2108
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,799
this general electric mark ii spy

2109
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,080
satellite that was

2110
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,719
studying the russians and we didn't want

2111
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:04,560
them to know that we were studying them

2112
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,000
so we kept it under wraps

2113
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,400
and kept it quiet but then again to your

2114
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,120
point why the strange hieroglyphs why

2115
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,480
yeah it's so enigmatic and

2116
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,960
weird right you know and i i do agree

2117
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:18,480
with you i think

2118
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:21,759
this was some sort of either satellite

2119
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:22,400
or

2120
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,480
flight

2121
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,679
shuttle i i don't know it's just

2122
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,679
you're right the way the military moved

2123
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,960
in so quickly

2124
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,880
um it's almost as if they were tracking

2125
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,880
this or they knew about it

2126
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,400
um they didn't really know where it went

2127
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,159
down but they knew it would be

2128
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:43,679
in that area somewhere uh i do have to

2129
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,239
wonder

2130
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,080
yeah was this something not

2131
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,000
extraterrestrial but something highly

2132
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,080
exotic and classified yeah and you have

2133
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,679
the pittsburgh post reporters too

2134
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:53,120
because like i said i would i

2135
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,159
when i was at the university of

2136
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,400
pittsburgh i loved looking into this and

2137
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,840
other stories and i would go down to

2138
01:10:02,790 --> 01:09:59,679
hillman library and

2139
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,800
and and just dig through archives and

2140
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,000
things like that and

2141
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,760
remember reading old newspaper clippings

2142
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,679
the pittsburgh post gazette and

2143
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,920
and things and so you know you have the

2144
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:12,000
reporters at the time who went and were

2145
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:12,800
sent there

2146
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,000
you know who are working that case uh

2147
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,679
who are out of like the greensburg

2148
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:19,040
office because like if you know anything

2149
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,640
about pittsburgh

2150
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,080
like i went to the main campus

2151
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,520
university of pittsburgh within like the

2152
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,040
greenberg

2153
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,880
like the greensburg campus and there was

2154
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:29,440
like two other campuses kind of not too

2155
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:30,000
far away

2156
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,440
they were like satellites and the same

2157
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:33,199
thing operated two of the news stations

2158
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:34,080
at the time

2159
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,600
for pittsburgh post gazette they would

2160
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,280
cover the different bureaus

2161
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:40,000
so to speak um but you know the reporter

2162
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,400
that

2163
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:41,600
wound up on the scene if i'm not

2164
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:44,080
mistaken like described you know

2165
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,760
everyone said it was huge everyone said

2166
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,520
it was large like you know i think maybe

2167
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:48,800
in people's minds they think it was

2168
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:49,520
maybe 10

2169
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:52,880
12 15 16 feet tall this

2170
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:56,000
craft he's you know he's there he

2171
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,960
arrives and he's

2172
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,640
you know i forget his name i forget the

2173
01:11:00,630 --> 01:11:00,320
reporter's name at the time but he said

2174
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,640
he

2175
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,640
saw it and it was being taken away in a

2176
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:04,320
flatbed truck and he said it wasn't that

2177
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,520
large that it was

2178
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,360
to him it looked like i think he

2179
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,520
described as like two suitcases

2180
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:12,560
the size of like two small suitcases

2181
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,600
um so you have this discrepancy in sizes

2182
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:16,800
from people who thought they saw

2183
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:18,800
something bigger and you know

2184
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,320
um so yeah it is it's

2185
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,880
it's fascinating go pennsylvania yeah

2186
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,080
absolutely

2187
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:28,239
um and i mean look this is one of the

2188
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,280
only cases

2189
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,159
where we can turn and say uh the

2190
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:34,159
government got sued or at least a

2191
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,360
government-funded

2192
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:38,000
nasa got sued like we mentioned leslie

2193
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,199
kane

2194
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,280
she sued nasa under the freedom of

2195
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,640
information act

2196
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:45,040
for the lost nasa records on kecksburg

2197
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,080
this case

2198
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,679
and they agreed to search for the

2199
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:49,120
records and

2200
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,640
you know after being ordered by the

2201
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:53,199
court to do so and during the hearing

2202
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,280
i remember reading about this um nasa's

2203
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,280
public liaison officer

2204
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,320
testified that two boxes of papers

2205
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:02,080
from the time of the kecksburg incident

2206
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,360
were missing

2207
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:05,600
and um you know the loss of records

2208
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:06,480
isn't

2209
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,760
unheard of for nasa but um even the

2210
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,280
original tapes recorded during the

2211
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,679
televised apollo 11 moon landing

2212
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,360
were misplaced or reused so there's

2213
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,360
another conspiracy right there

2214
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,280
right and but um yeah we only have the

2215
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:22,000
rec we only have the recording of the tv

2216
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,600
of the landings we don't even have the

2217
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,360
actual recording how does that happen

2218
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,080
how does that happen yeah someone gets

2219
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,600
stanley kubrick on the uh

2220
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,360
the ouija board and let's figure this

2221
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,360
out

2222
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:34,960
that's a little morbid i shouldn't have

2223
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,360
said that but um yeah no true true

2224
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,560
but hey look she won she won and uh

2225
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,040
they said we got nothing so um we've

2226
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:45,120
heard this many times before so

2227
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,560
it will go down i think is one of the

2228
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,640
most historic cases but um

2229
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,560
are there any other cases clayton that

2230
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,000
you really turn to

2231
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,239
like that you would hang your hat on and

2232
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,920
say this is proof or

2233
01:12:59,709 --> 01:12:57,600
maybe not proof but this is enough

2234
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,719
evidence to say we've been visited by

2235
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,120
extraterrestrials

2236
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,679
or interdimensionals what have you

2237
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,520
insert phenomena here

2238
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,520
um to really tell people there's

2239
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,600
something to all this

2240
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:11,199
well i think there's a couple i mean i'm

2241
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,120
fascinated i've since i was a kid i've

2242
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:15,440
been fascinated by the shag harbor

2243
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:18,880
uh incident uh that was our episode last

2244
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:19,280
week

2245
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:22,480
actually sorry yes yes no i mean i love

2246
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,199
it and because

2247
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,719
you know it's i've been fascinated by

2248
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,320
that for years i remember

2249
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:28,480
watching documentaries on it years ago

2250
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,320
and just reading books on it and just

2251
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,400
always being just so blown away by it

2252
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:34,159
maybe it's the remoteness of it

2253
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,199
it's the the fishing village you know

2254
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:39,600
canada very picturesque you know

2255
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,560
picturesque canadians are not prone to

2256
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:45,120
hyperbole you know they're not prone to

2257
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:46,719
lying you know they're just they're just

2258
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:47,040
like

2259
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:48,400
salt of the earth i have so many

2260
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,679
canadian friends and they are the

2261
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:51,520
kindest human beings you'll ever meet

2262
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,640
right so

2263
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,480
like and the fact that the canadian

2264
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:56,480
government is involved you know and

2265
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,640
and i mean it's well known right i mean

2266
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,560
it's it's not it's not it's not a hidden

2267
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,520
story i think also

2268
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:03,760
um so that one's a big one for me i'm

2269
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,400
just i'm fascinated by that i think

2270
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,320
you know i also think the tehran ufo

2271
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:10,239
incident is another big one and

2272
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,239
uh you know i think to hear those pilots

2273
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:16,239
to hear those generals to hear

2274
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:18,400
i mean to hear what was being discussed

2275
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:20,239
inside the iranian government

2276
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,440
and um with with a shake like

2277
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:26,000
yeah we know that like this is this is

2278
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:26,719
beyond

2279
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:29,840
things that we know on this earth and

2280
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,640
yeah what you saw yeah it's i'm sure

2281
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,400
you're probably glad you didn't hit this

2282
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,400
thing when you fired upon it like

2283
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:39,199
yeah um so that's fascinating to me and

2284
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:40,080
also

2285
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:42,159
more more of a sort of the ground-based

2286
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,280
stuff i think

2287
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,760
i think that i've been fascinated by it

2288
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,120
i don't know how to wrap my head around

2289
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,719
it to be quite honest with you

2290
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,719
like i don't want to come off as some

2291
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,199
amazing ufologist because i'm not i mean

2292
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,560
if you're you want to hear a real

2293
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:56,480
ufologist you know you're the you're the

2294
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:56,880
guy

2295
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,920
right like so i'm i'm i'm

2296
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,640
really um i don't say in some ways a

2297
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,480
fanboy i mean i spend as much time as i

2298
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,960
can trying to dive into this stuff but i

2299
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:08,400
think i'm

2300
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:12,000
i think antarctica to me

2301
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,080
is so compelling and

2302
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,239
there's so much there there's so many

2303
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:20,000
stories that we have yet to uncover

2304
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:21,600
about antarctica

2305
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:24,400
um and i i don't know where to start

2306
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,520
with it i don't know where to wrap my

2307
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,040
head around with it i i don't know where

2308
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:28,800
the starting point on discussion about

2309
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:29,520
antarctica

2310
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,960
is um so to me what's unfolding in the

2311
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,800
stories that we hear the the

2312
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:37,040
tidbits and and dispatches that come out

2313
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,239
of antarctica

2314
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:40,960
but underground bases and giant chasms

2315
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:41,679
and

2316
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:47,360
fact that we have this sort of

2317
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,480
the way that the government has

2318
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,480
structured antarctica the world

2319
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,080
governments have structured it to me

2320
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,719
is is is telling in and of itself so to

2321
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,920
me antarctica

2322
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:58,000
i you know maybe there's not one

2323
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,679
kecksburg in antarctica that we could

2324
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,480
all point to

2325
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,960
because it's so remote but boy i'm just

2326
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,320
fascinated by that

2327
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,880
yeah it is a topic i have not discussed

2328
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:07,920
on the show because

2329
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,800
like you you know even as a ufo

2330
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,640
researcher i hate using the word expert

2331
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:14,080
because none of us know what the hell

2332
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:14,800
any of this

2333
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:17,280
is but um i i would have to agree

2334
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,719
antarctica is just

2335
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:20,960
i can't even imagine the secrets that

2336
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,760
lie

2337
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:24,239
you know under the ice there or what

2338
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:24,800
have you

2339
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,840
um and like you said we've heard some

2340
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:30,080
really weird stories come out of there

2341
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,760
and uh maybe

2342
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,000
maybe some of them are true probably a

2343
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:35,520
lot of them aren't but there is

2344
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,640
definitely

2345
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,880
something to that place and like you

2346
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,560
mentioned you know the fact that all

2347
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,800
world governments lead to antarctica

2348
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,960
you have to wonder what the hell is

2349
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,080
going on there

2350
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:48,719
right right and especially now that

2351
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,280
we've got

2352
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,360
global warming and what are the concerns

2353
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,840
with things being uncovered there

2354
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,320
and ice shelves falling and what's you

2355
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:58,640
know what's going to emerge there so

2356
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:01,360
um i don't know you know it's also one

2357
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,080
of those things i think

2358
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,920
pay attention to what like elon musk

2359
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,080
talks about i know he's it's easy to

2360
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:08,080
write off and and conspiracy theorists

2361
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,679
can just kind of laugh him off as like a

2362
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,600
pot-smoking billionaire brilliant guy

2363
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:12,880
but

2364
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,800
when he when he makes random comments

2365
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:16,480
about things like that sometimes

2366
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,159
yeah the stuff that he has access to

2367
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:23,440
like you should not should not discount

2368
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,679
it

2369
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,440
right here's a guy that managed to send

2370
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,440
a car into space

2371
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:30,719
right you know like he's very close

2372
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,679
to getting people to mars like the fact

2373
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:35,520
that when he makes an aside comment

2374
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:35,920
about

2375
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:38,560
things like that and i'm i'm also

2376
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,120
curious

2377
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,640
i could talk to you for hours but like

2378
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:42,239
the boring project you know his

2379
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:43,520
underground boring

2380
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,360
yeah if anyone wants to go back and look

2381
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:47,600
at the 1960s boring projects

2382
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:50,000
um underground with the us air force and

2383
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:51,440
those giant

2384
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:54,800
giant it's easy to find to google

2385
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:58,080
these giant ground penetrating digging

2386
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,719
machines

2387
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:01,600
from the us air force like why why why

2388
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:02,560
do we have these

2389
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:05,360
right why are these and reports of these

2390
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,120
giant underground caverns and

2391
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:10,080
and underground uh shuttle systems uh

2392
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,840
being you know between the west coast

2393
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,679
and through vegas and through the desert

2394
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,040
southwest and

2395
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:17,600
and so to i don't know something's going

2396
01:18:21,810 --> 01:18:18,400
on

2397
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,820
feel like i can't handle it my pee brain

2398
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,080
[Laughter]

2399
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:26,000
you know like can i just i would love to

2400
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,679
be i would like to be the

2401
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,840
the fly on mike pence's hair and just

2402
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,440
sit in on one of those meetings

2403
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:34,080
you know and like hear what's going on

2404
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,960
can i go

2405
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,719
would you mind if i just fly to planet

2406
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,360
serpo would you mind if i just like

2407
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:41,199
head on up to to the moon base the

2408
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:42,880
secret moon base on the secret space

2409
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,440
program

2410
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,199
like am i enlightened enough to just sit

2411
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:47,520
in one day on one of those conversations

2412
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:48,159
please

2413
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,199
just one yeah well okay

2414
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,120
so you did go there clean so i do want

2415
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,719
to ask um

2416
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,640
and i just got a few more to wrap up

2417
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:58,719
with you here but you did mention

2418
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,360
you know pence and meetings and whatnot

2419
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:02,960
do you think

2420
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:06,000
trump has any interest in this or is it

2421
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,199
just another

2422
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:10,080
way to get views and have people wonder

2423
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,560
like

2424
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,440
do you think he or any president are

2425
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:14,960
more privy than others on

2426
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,760
any of this ufo stuff or have been told

2427
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:18,880
anything or

2428
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:21,679
are they just temporary people who like

2429
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,600
no we're not gonna give them like

2430
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,120
they're gonna be gone in four to eight

2431
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
years what do you think

2432
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,760
i think some more than others i think

2433
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,760
there's compelling evidence on the whole

2434
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:32,960
jackie gleason

2435
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,120
richard nixon story yeah in florida

2436
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:39,600
and hop in the car and let me show you

2437
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:40,320
something

2438
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,080
you know jackie gleason and florida

2439
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:43,679
story and i think there's

2440
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:47,120
quite a bit to that um and uh

2441
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,560
i mean how does that story just come out

2442
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,159
of nowhere right i mean that's

2443
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,159
comes from the family yeah it comes from

2444
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:53,760
it comes from the gleason family right i

2445
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:54,400
mean

2446
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,600
so and it's confirmed with the

2447
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:59,679
time and date stamps when nixon was in

2448
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:01,679
florida taking him to see whatever he

2449
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:02,960
saw which was

2450
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:06,560
arguably what down ufo wreckage etc um

2451
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:09,679
aliens on ice i i don't know but

2452
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:12,960
who knows i'd pay to see that yeah yeah

2453
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:16,560
yeah for sure um so i think there are so

2454
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,560
i i think it's true um if you read

2455
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,719
forget if it's in philip corso's books

2456
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:24,080
or um others

2457
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,679
you know this sort of idea of the need

2458
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,199
to know basis

2459
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:29,600
right and i think it's compellingly true

2460
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,560
i mean if you think

2461
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:32,000
you think of like the nut job that we

2462
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:34,080
have in the white house right now

2463
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,520
who's there for eight years or four

2464
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,600
you're going to give them ever the keys

2465
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,199
to the kingdom

2466
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,800
i think there's compelling evidence to

2467
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,639
suggest that there's this

2468
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,440
secret internal body that sort of

2469
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:49,040
protects those secrets

2470
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,159
and oh you're the president of the

2471
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:51,920
united states here's what you get to

2472
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:52,800
know

2473
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:55,120
please don't ask these questions when

2474
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:56,400
senator then senator

2475
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,239
bill still senator patrick leahy of

2476
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,400
vermont asked the question of

2477
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,440
uh then general uh forget

2478
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,360
of wright patterson air force base and

2479
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:07,760
what's in you know what's there

2480
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,960
and he's told don't ever you do not ever

2481
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:12,400
ask that question again oh

2482
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:15,280
yes yeah you know that you you know

2483
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:15,920
you're on a

2484
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:18,320
need to know basis and the president of

2485
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,280
the united states

2486
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:21,040
according to i believe it's phil of

2487
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,320
course so again forgive me

2488
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,639
um my brain is fried in this pandemic

2489
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,920
but um

2490
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:28,320
basically levels of clearance the

2491
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:29,760
president of the united states is not

2492
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,120
even on the level

2493
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,920
with what these individuals and levels

2494
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,960
of clearance and

2495
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:38,000
and uh classified information right kept

2496
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,960
from really a person who's going to be

2497
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,239
elected for four years

2498
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,719
maybe eight they're going to get access

2499
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,159
to all of this

2500
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:48,000
i think it's so fascinating to watch

2501
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:50,000
these presidents i did a story on my

2502
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:50,560
channel

2503
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,560
about these presidents and i'm so struck

2504
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,440
by

2505
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,199
the cavalier attitude they have while

2506
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:58,800
they're running for president

2507
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:01,120
obama hillary clinton on david

2508
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,719
letterman's show or was it jimmy kimmel

2509
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,639
when she talks about uaps and she's

2510
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:06,080
going off about how she wants to shed

2511
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,800
light on this

2512
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:08,480
and then they you know they get close to

2513
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,920
it or that you know president trump that

2514
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:11,360
talks about it and you have other people

2515
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,600
who

2516
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:13,199
want to shine lights on it and then they

2517
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,040
get and it's just quiet

2518
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,080
or it's downplayed so don jr

2519
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,080
uh on that father's day special

2520
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,840
interviews president trump

2521
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,600
on trump tv which is going to be the

2522
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,000
network once trump loses the presidency

2523
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:28,159
he'll run his own major media network

2524
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:29,520
watch mark my words

2525
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,880
you heard it here first um and

2526
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:35,040
you know he says he asks and the final

2527
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:36,320
question of course is not the first

2528
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,440
question it's the last

2529
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:39,280
question huh yuck yuck we're gonna go to

2530
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,639
commercial break we're gonna be no

2531
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,159
thanks for joining me dad

2532
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:44,800
um so the last question he asks people

2533
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,440
want to know

2534
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:47,520
like are there aliens have you do you

2535
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,040
know what's at area 51

2536
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,199
are there aliens and he says a pre he's

2537
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:53,040
like you know stuff i you know

2538
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,120
it would it's it's pretty interesting

2539
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,880
it's pretty interesting i can't

2540
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,560
he he basically says he can't talk about

2541
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,400
it but you can tell like

2542
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,400
he doesn't know much but he's been told

2543
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,320
it's to me it's clear as day

2544
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,719
he's been told to just not talk about it

2545
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,560
obama gets uncomfortable being asked

2546
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,080
about it on letterman

2547
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:12,800
george w bush can't talk about it gets

2548
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,719
uncomfortable changes the subject

2549
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,960
stutters with it something happens i

2550
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,080
don't know what it is

2551
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:20,000
something's going on yeah and i think

2552
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,360
it's obvious

2553
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,600
i i would have to agree i mean we even

2554
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,760
have clinton on the record saying

2555
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,600
i looked into it i wanted to know what

2556
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,600
was going on at area 51

2557
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,520
i wanted to know a crash in roswell and

2558
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,440
they flat out told and this was the day

2559
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,800
of his inauguration

2560
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:36,719
or like maybe the day after is when he

2561
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:37,840
asked these things

2562
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,320
because he said like this was one of my

2563
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,400
goals as president i wanted to know what

2564
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,480
the hell was up with these ufos

2565
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,560
and he was told flat out like you said

2566
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:48,080
you don't have a need to know for that

2567
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:49,840
information so i think you're right

2568
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,639
you know i i i was curious if the topic

2569
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,560
would come up in the last debate but

2570
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,560
look we we do have a lot more immediate

2571
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,480
things that i think should be discussed

2572
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,520
at a debate but i i do wonder if we are

2573
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,960
going to get any more debates here in

2574
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:04,960
america before the election um

2575
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:06,800
will this topic come up what do you

2576
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:08,239
think uh

2577
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:11,679
no and i would i absolutely not

2578
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,960
i would love it to come up it's not i

2579
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,560
do you realize during the last debate

2580
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:19,760
they in 90 minutes

2581
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:22,239
there was no discussion of the stimulus

2582
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,880
yeah

2583
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,600
it was absolutely atrocious i mean on

2584
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,040
both the how

2585
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:30,000
how the hell in a 90-minute debate the

2586
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:30,239
pr

2587
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,080
but we had just gotten the news that

2588
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,480
president trump ended negotiations

2589
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:38,639
said i'm done yeah which was like you

2590
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:40,159
know political malpractice you had

2591
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,360
republicans like going

2592
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,199
what the hell did you just do you just

2593
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:44,960
cost me an election what are you

2594
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,440
thinking right he then eventually he

2595
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:49,199
just basically took credit for a lack of

2596
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:50,080
stimulus

2597
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,360
that didn't even come up in the 90

2598
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,239
minute vice or 60 70 minute vice

2599
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,000
presidential debate

2600
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,000
there's no way that they're going to

2601
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,480
bring up ufos i mean i would be stunned

2602
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,960
i would i will be i will literally eat a

2603
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:04,320
house plant like i've said that on my

2604
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,080
show if that comes up i will

2605
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,760
you can tune in i will do that you can

2606
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:09,040
pick the house plant too it could be a

2607
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,239
cactus i don't care

2608
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,400
i would be stunned i just cannot see it

2609
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,400
coming up the third and final debate

2610
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,360
is the foreign policy debate which to me

2611
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:19,040
is usually the most interesting debate

2612
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,480
but it's also the least at least

2613
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:23,760
watched debate so um you know that's

2614
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,120
when you get the really interesting

2615
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:27,679
things like mitt romney's like a binder

2616
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,639
full of women

2617
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:31,440
comments and you know all you get really

2618
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,560
interesting things that

2619
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,199
emerge during that third debate but now

2620
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:36,560
that the second debate looks like it's

2621
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,600
not going to happen

2622
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,600
um i don't know the third debate will

2623
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:41,920
and trump i think it's a shame for the

2624
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,719
american people

2625
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:44,159
um i would love for those types of

2626
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,000
questions to be asked but they're always

2627
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,080
asked like as a sidebar thing

2628
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,480
yeah the last the last comment question

2629
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:52,960
we had on this subject was lou dobbs

2630
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:56,560
asking president trump a few weeks ago

2631
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,120
about this and he asked it as a

2632
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:01,360
last-minute joke at the end of his

2633
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,239
show and he said uh you know president

2634
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,719
trump i just got to ask you about

2635
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,159
you know ufos and uh and

2636
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,480
would you uh would you you're gonna be

2637
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,400
looking more into it and uh he just said

2638
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,760
you know lou if i'm gonna do that i'm

2639
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,760
gonna appoint you as my uh as my

2640
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,920
my ufo expert and just sort of laugh

2641
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:21,440
they all chuckled back and forth and

2642
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:22,159
that was it

2643
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:23,520
and he's like that's the best answer i

2644
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,520
could have hoped for mr president and i

2645
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,440
i was furious i did on my show i'm like

2646
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,280
you are you kidding me that's the best

2647
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,600
you're you're just a sycophant you're a

2648
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,199
suck-up sycophant

2649
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,040
that's the best answer no that's the

2650
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:36,960
worst answer like no mr president you

2651
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,800
can joke about it answer the question

2652
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,480
right no one will press any of these

2653
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,000
guys on these questions they ask

2654
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,920
one time and they don't do any follow-up

2655
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:45,360
and that's it and they move on and then

2656
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,000
we're done

2657
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,000
it's so frustrating welcome to my life

2658
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,159
man i mean no follow-up

2659
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:53,280
no follow-up is probably the mantra of

2660
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,480
this entire thing

2661
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:57,280
and um and like you said like you know

2662
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,719
the last time it was mentioned in a

2663
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:00,400
debate was i believe with

2664
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,520
kucinich and it was political suicide so

2665
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,159
i understand why maybe it's not

2666
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,760
something they want to broach but i do

2667
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:08,639
wonder

2668
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,760
you know in these last few weeks as

2669
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:13,600
things just continue to heat up

2670
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:16,960
and desperation sets in if

2671
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:21,120
uh let's say the election goes

2672
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,320
um not in trump's favor or do his favor

2673
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,120
and he loses um will he have some sort

2674
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:29,280
of mic drop a lot of people

2675
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:31,199
think you know he's very unpredictable

2676
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:32,480
and he shoots from the hip

2677
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,600
and he says what he wants um will we get

2678
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,400
something i don't know but um i i would

2679
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,920
think we would have gotten it by now in

2680
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,199
my personal opinion

2681
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,600
yeah i think he's i don't know it's to

2682
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:45,440
me it's strange because

2683
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,679
trump of all people i thought would have

2684
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,280
been able to pull the wool back on this

2685
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:50,880
story we all did

2686
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,000
yeah he might have let something slip

2687
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:56,159
because think about it if he is kept

2688
01:28:02,390 --> 01:27:58,840
from knowing something

2689
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,400
he will probably push to be told

2690
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,400
about it right i'm the president of the

2691
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:06,400
united states there's no you you've got

2692
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:07,520
to tell me

2693
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:10,239
right so that to me would be shocking

2694
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:11,600
and then on the other side

2695
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:14,800
if he's if he feels like some duty

2696
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:18,080
somehow i just feel like he his ego is

2697
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:18,800
too strong

2698
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,440
for him to not you know not bring it up

2699
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:22,719
not talk about it

2700
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,440
um not let us know that he knows he

2701
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,880
reminds me of a high school

2702
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,360
all right sorry he reminds me of my

2703
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:30,960
college roommate

2704
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:34,560
who he had no life of his own and he was

2705
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:37,760
he was so petty and and so if i were to

2706
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,800
go out with a girl or

2707
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:41,040
you know whatever he'd he'd be like oh

2708
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,000
where were you

2709
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,040
yesterday you know and i would tell him

2710
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:47,120
in confidence and then i'd go to like

2711
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,639
lunch and there's like six other guys

2712
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,480
sitting around he was like well clayton

2713
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,000
you know until where clayton was

2714
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:54,560
yesterday like you told these people

2715
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,440
like

2716
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,920
because it lifted him up in their eyes

2717
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:59,760
so like oh yeah dave's they are this i

2718
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:00,800
don't say names but

2719
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:04,239
this guy's the gossip guy you know he

2720
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,600
he's always going to give us the goods

2721
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,880
and the only reason we're sitting at

2722
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:08,239
this table with him is because he just

2723
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:09,600
likes to gossip and

2724
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,440
tell tales about other people and i feel

2725
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,960
like in some ways that's trump

2726
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,440
you know like like he's got the goods

2727
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,639
and he's going to just want to sh

2728
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,639
and and so i just can't imagine why he

2729
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,639
would be quiet on this subject

2730
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:23,199
it's it really is mind-boggling to me i

2731
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,639
can't wrap my head around it

2732
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:27,280
yeah it is it is and it will probably

2733
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:28,239
remain

2734
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,560
an enigma and mind-boggling to all of us

2735
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:32,800
uh as these remaining weeks

2736
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:36,400
in america become extremely tumultuous

2737
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:38,000
as they've already been but

2738
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,600
kind of moving away from that clayton

2739
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,280
you know we got a little heavy

2740
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:44,000
with the politics but hey man it's bound

2741
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,600
to come up when it comes to

2742
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,760
the mainstream media first and foremost

2743
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,360
and i'm so happy

2744
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,280
uh to get that inside look from you

2745
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,199
because we don't get that often

2746
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:55,040
you know i think my first episode of

2747
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:56,480
summer in the skies

2748
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:59,600
was with uh ufo historian richard dolan

2749
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,560
and we talked about media bias when it

2750
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:03,920
comes to the ufo topic

2751
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:06,239
and look that was back in 2016. so the

2752
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,600
world has changed

2753
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,600
politics have changed the ufo topic has

2754
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:11,360
changed um so

2755
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:15,120
to have that as a historical marker and

2756
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:16,400
to now cover it with you

2757
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:18,800
uh we are living in a new world in so

2758
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:20,000
many ways so i'm

2759
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,360
i'm happy we're able to tackle so much

2760
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,679
in this conversation but man hey look

2761
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,800
before we go

2762
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,040
you're back you're back with us in the

2763
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,679
ufo world in the paranormal world

2764
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:34,239
so i have to ask you about what you got

2765
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:36,560
going on with a paranormal post i just

2766
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:37,360
watched

2767
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:39,920
one of them this morning staircases in

2768
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:40,880
the woods which

2769
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:43,440
absolutely terrified me so tell us all

2770
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:45,840
about this new endeavor man

2771
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:49,440
well you know i i honestly owned the url

2772
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:50,320
and name

2773
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,040
back when even before like jim jim and i

2774
01:30:57,669 --> 01:30:54,880
were doing our paranormal report i

2775
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:57,679
uh i bought the rights to the paranormal

2776
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,239
post

2777
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:01,360
because you know i would love to do

2778
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:04,080
like a paranormal newspaper um that

2779
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,600
would cover the stories that you just

2780
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:07,440
don't get in the mainstream media

2781
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:09,520
and i could you know and i just kept

2782
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,719
renewing that domain

2783
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:12,400
and every year every year every year and

2784
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:15,199
i bounce ideas off of gym over the years

2785
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,000
and i just i was

2786
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:18,719
always so busy with my with my investing

2787
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,280
and my

2788
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:21,600
my financial channel and all what i do

2789
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:22,400
there

2790
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:25,040
that i just i was always on the side and

2791
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:26,560
it always just annoyed me because it

2792
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:27,600
would always stare at me

2793
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,239
and i knew it was my calling to to to be

2794
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,920
able to cover and talk about these types

2795
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:32,960
of things so

2796
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:35,280
yeah man i just in the over the summer

2797
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:37,040
the pandemic has been amazing in some

2798
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:39,280
ways and terrible in others but

2799
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,239
it forced my hand to start to cover

2800
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:44,159
stories that i find just utterly

2801
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:45,679
fascinating um

2802
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:48,800
like when i was in loch ness uh

2803
01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:52,080
uh two years ago and witnessed what i

2804
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:55,280
i will say to them to this day was some

2805
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:58,800
some large creature in the water wow and

2806
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:00,960
coming around the bend towards fort

2807
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:03,120
augustus and seeing what i saw and my

2808
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,520
wife

2809
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:05,280
we both looked down and we're just like

2810
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,639
holy smokes and my son

2811
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,400
looks out the window and cars are all

2812
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:09,840
pulled over and we're looking at this

2813
01:32:12,870 --> 01:32:10,560
thing and

2814
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:12,880
it's not a log it's an undulating so i

2815
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,679
cover that on

2816
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,679
the paranormal post and it's uh yeah

2817
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,199
it's my new youtube channel we only have

2818
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:19,120
about 10 episodes right now and we're

2819
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:21,840
putting just a ton of work into it um

2820
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,600
stories of the unexplained ufos um

2821
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,840
you know i'm working on a big story

2822
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,040
right now that i've been doing

2823
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:31,199
interviews for and i'm excited about

2824
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:34,000
um so yeah covering like kind of current

2825
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:35,679
stuff like you know like the

2826
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:36,960
what what's going on with the new york

2827
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:38,480
times stuff but then also looking at

2828
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:41,440
more historical stories

2829
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:44,560
going back 100 years and there's so many

2830
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:46,159
stories you know it's just so much fun

2831
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:47,520
to be able to tell these stories in a

2832
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,480
visual medium

2833
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:50,880
and they're like 10 12 minutes long and

2834
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:52,480
i just i love doing it so it's just yeah

2835
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:54,800
it's just youtube.com

2836
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:56,960
paranormal post and it's my little side

2837
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:59,120
hobby uh project and it's it's a lot of

2838
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:59,600
fun

2839
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,760
awesome i that's what's most important

2840
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,040
as long as it's fun

2841
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:04,639
you know and it's the same with my work

2842
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,080
like it's a lot of work i don't think

2843
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,400
people understand how much goes into

2844
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:10,400
these things we do but they are labors

2845
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:11,520
of love and

2846
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:13,679
you know everyone everyone always

2847
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:15,520
wonders like ah are they

2848
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:17,440
are they becoming rich from all this

2849
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,280
stuff and are you kidding me

2850
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:21,600
i've been dead with this podcast i can

2851
01:33:26,950 --> 01:33:24,000
tell you that much so it is definitely

2852
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,960
a passion project for many of us but um

2853
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:28,800
it's good to know that you

2854
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,000
you find fun and joy in the work you do

2855
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,560
and uh hey like you said stories are

2856
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:36,560
something we all have in common

2857
01:33:39,910 --> 01:33:38,800
we've been telling them since the dawn

2858
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:39,920
of uh

2859
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:43,040
of humanity and uh i think every story

2860
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:43,920
has value

2861
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:46,719
so um and that that 10 minute marker

2862
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:47,920
that's perfect

2863
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:50,239
it's just enough to get interested in

2864
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:51,199
something

2865
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,239
to then go look into it on your own so

2866
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:56,080
yeah yeah it's been crazy and some of

2867
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:57,840
the stories i have to tell you because

2868
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:59,840
and i don't talk about her much and i

2869
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,880
will hear because

2870
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:02,880
it's a you know favorable audience but

2871
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:04,960
my sister my younger sister

2872
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:08,320
is a high level psychic medium

2873
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:10,400
and she does she does she does bookings

2874
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:11,920
and things like that for readings and

2875
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:12,800
stuff

2876
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:16,159
and so i will run stories by her like as

2877
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:18,239
i'm investigating a particular story

2878
01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:21,520
um she she will literally be

2879
01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:25,120
in a house and see see uh

2880
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:28,400
spirits dead people i mean she's that

2881
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,440
very very very powerful and

2882
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,040
and the readings that she does are

2883
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:35,040
always spot on i mean

2884
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:37,040
she can tell you the date of when this

2885
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:38,320
child will be born

2886
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:40,400
she's that she's that amazing and so i

2887
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,400
will run stories by her i will send

2888
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,000
like here's what i'm working on here's

2889
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:46,320
this image of this particular thing what

2890
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:47,119
do you see

2891
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:48,880
and i won't tell her anything about it

2892
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,360
and she will give me details about it

2893
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:54,239
that confirm the story that i'm working

2894
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:56,080
on and she knows nothing of the story

2895
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:57,040
and so

2896
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,560
um you know that's that kind of stuff

2897
01:35:01,189 --> 01:35:00,719
that i'd like to incorporate into my

2898
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:01,199
show

2899
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:03,679
when i can on certain stories um and i

2900
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,440
don't necessarily mention it

2901
01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:07,679
but it just adds that layer of validity

2902
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:08,560
to

2903
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:12,320
the show so yeah she's

2904
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:15,199
she's amazing wow well hey you got to

2905
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:16,480
have her on the show i don't know if you

2906
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,280
uh i know

2907
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,639
i don't know if that fits into somewhere

2908
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:20,480
in the skies but she'd uh

2909
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,080
absolutely especially in october

2910
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:26,560
like i'm all yeah i love the halloween

2911
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,119
season

2912
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:29,040
and listeners and viewers are gonna be

2913
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,400
seeing some

2914
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:32,159
guests that they're probably not

2915
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:34,239
familiar with or have ever heard before

2916
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,719
so

2917
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,239
no i would definitely love to reach out

2918
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:38,719
to her and uh i can only imagine

2919
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:42,159
what uh what she's seeing hearing or

2920
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:44,000
experiencing

2921
01:35:46,460 --> 01:35:46,239
about the next few weeks here in america

2922
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,470
but

2923
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,480
[Laughter]

2924
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,880
or the world let's be honest but um no i

2925
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,880
would love to talk to her for sure

2926
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:54,800
yeah i mean it's crazy because i'll i'll

2927
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:56,560
run stuff by her just in my personal

2928
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:57,440
life just about

2929
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,719
how are we going to experience this

2930
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,239
thing we went through two years ago a

2931
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:01,920
really difficult time in our business

2932
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:02,639
and our life

2933
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:04,960
because of a business partner that lied

2934
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,679
to us and

2935
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,600
like defrauded us and it was really

2936
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:09,280
awful and uh

2937
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,960
and uh she was able to then like tell us

2938
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,639
markers along the way about like what

2939
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:16,080
was going to happen and it was a

2940
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:17,040
tremendously

2941
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:20,159
eye-opening and helpful and healing too

2942
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:21,440
you know that's i think the purpose of

2943
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:22,080
it right it's

2944
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:24,080
it's not to be scared of this stuff so

2945
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:25,360
absolutely yeah

2946
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,440
and i mean well let me you know before

2947
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:28,960
we go here i'd love

2948
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:32,320
do you think people like that who ca

2949
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,440
who have these precog abilities or um

2950
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:38,159
or psychic abilities uh do you think

2951
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,880
there is

2952
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,719
benefit to knowing something before it

2953
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:42,400
happens or are you the kind of person

2954
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:42,960
who

2955
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:45,440
wants to just live it moment by moment

2956
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:46,560
you know i think

2957
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,600
i i think in many ways if i've i've been

2958
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,600
able to cross paths with some

2959
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,760
really impressive you know high-level

2960
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:55,280
psychic mediums

2961
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:56,719
who i've been able to interview over the

2962
01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:59,040
years both at fox and out and elsewhere

2963
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,639
those who are certified by you know

2964
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:02,400
winbridge institute i think there's only

2965
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:03,040
19

2966
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:05,040
certified winbridge institute psychic

2967
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,400
mediums in the world

2968
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,880
so these are people that the fbi uses

2969
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:09,920
regularly

2970
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,320
to solve crimes like this is not i would

2971
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,000
literally be on the phone with one of

2972
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,840
them who's a close friend and

2973
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,520
she couldn't she's like i have to go the

2974
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,440
fbi needs me for this cold case

2975
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:21,520
on this or this missing child like

2976
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:22,480
that's literally

2977
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:24,480
and they don't talk about it but they

2978
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:25,600
use them all the time

2979
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,280
um so i think you know it can be very

2980
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,800
debilitating for some of them

2981
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,880
because as laura lynn jackson writes

2982
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:34,719
about in her book the light between us

2983
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,760
you know it

2984
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,920
that that energy that you're giving away

2985
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:39,199
to other people

2986
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:42,480
can cause autoimmune diseases and you're

2987
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:44,159
basically allowing other people to

2988
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,159
invade your energy on a regular basis so

2989
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:47,760
that's i think the biggest concern and

2990
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:48,000
you

2991
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,480
really have to like build that my sister

2992
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:52,880
had to learn how to protect herself

2993
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,000
um because she would be at a stoplight

2994
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:58,560
near she wouldn't know that the house on

2995
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:59,440
the corner was

2996
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:01,280
haunted and that there was some really

2997
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:02,719
horrible event that had happened there

2998
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:04,320
and she just would be overwhelmed to the

2999
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:04,880
point of

3000
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,360
bawling her eyes out and she had to

3001
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,960
learn how to really protect herself from

3002
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,159
it and then later she'd learned that

3003
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:11,679
there was like a triple homicide in the

3004
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:12,560
house you know

3005
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:14,000
so these things would present themselves

3006
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,679
to her so um

3007
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,520
i think sometimes obviously it can be

3008
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:19,679
helpful it can help you navigate your

3009
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:20,560
world

3010
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:23,520
um but it can also you can allow too

3011
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:24,880
much of your energy

3012
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,560
to get you can give too much of yourself

3013
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:28,480
away and so for i think for somebody

3014
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:30,239
like that who's a very

3015
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:34,000
sensitive person an empath a very high

3016
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:35,280
level sensitive

3017
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,040
person you can experience autoimmune

3018
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:41,360
diseases for giving their energies away

3019
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:42,159
and so

3020
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:43,440
i think there's a level of protection

3021
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:45,600
that needs to happen there so i i don't

3022
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:46,719
know enough about it

3023
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:50,080
um uh to go into it i'm i've been

3024
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,840
found out that i'm an empath like that

3025
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,760
that's one of my areas of

3026
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:56,080
feeling like i feel people's energy we

3027
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,440
all have one of these

3028
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:59,119
in our life one of these sort of five

3029
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,639
energies

3030
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,639
and that's where mine sits so i can walk

3031
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,159
into a starbucks and i can literally

3032
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,320
feel the energy of everyone in that room

3033
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:08,239
and i can feel that that person is mad

3034
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,440
over there and i can

3035
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,679
you can just sense energies and so i

3036
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:13,199
think that's in many ways why i'm a bit

3037
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:14,239
of an introvert

3038
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,600
because to go out in large group

3039
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:17,679
settings i end up feeling all of these

3040
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,760
energies at one time and it can be um

3041
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:21,760
it can be overwhelming i think to people

3042
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,400
yeah i i think i'm kind of on the

3043
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,280
the same frequency as you man i i'm the

3044
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:29,040
same way i'm an introvert and

3045
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,960
i don't do well in large crowds because

3046
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:33,040
i am overwhelmed by the energy

3047
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:35,119
so i'm with you on that i think there's

3048
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,320
a reason we're uh

3049
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,960
talking for almost an hour and a half

3050
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:41,040
longer than i told you we would talk

3051
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,840
today

3052
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,840
i think that's true and don't apologize

3053
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:45,440
like i really feel like i

3054
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:47,040
the reason i'm able to have like an hour

3055
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:48,320
and a half long conversation with

3056
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:49,119
someone almost

3057
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,040
always it's because that person is an

3058
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:52,880
empath and

3059
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,560
it's because we are introverts and we

3060
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:59,119
we experience those energies and it

3061
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,560
affects us in a deep way

3062
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:02,400
you know i see your tweets i mean i see

3063
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,840
how passionate you know like

3064
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:05,920
you know you know i get it and i'm the

3065
01:40:10,229 --> 01:40:08,000
same way and it's it's hard and we feel

3066
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,239
things more we feel things harder i

3067
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,840
think than other people do

3068
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:14,159
um and but then we lack certain other

3069
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,360
skills you know

3070
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,760
um so that you know it's just it's just

3071
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,760
our way of feeling energy i think

3072
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,840
i think so and i'm sure there are many

3073
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:23,520
listeners who feel the same way

3074
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,560
so uh you know take it for what it is

3075
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,480
and run with it and know everyone's a

3076
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,239
little different and um

3077
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:33,360
and everyone has their own baggage to

3078
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,000
bring to everything in this life so uh

3079
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:37,920
i think the more empathy and understand

3080
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:40,000
we have the the better the world's gonna

3081
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,600
get and hopefully

3082
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,040
that will get us that place at the

3083
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,960
intergalactic table with these aliens

3084
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,840
man because they're

3085
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:48,000
also i feel like they are uh they're

3086
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:49,840
whizzing past us right now being like

3087
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,480
good luck with all that but um

3088
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:55,360
who knows but man this has been so

3089
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,239
refreshing

3090
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:58,639
so fun to really stretch out and talk

3091
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:59,520
and um

3092
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,920
before we go um where can we find

3093
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:03,440
everything you're up to if there's

3094
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:04,000
anything else

3095
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:06,159
you want to share with us um yeah please

3096
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,840
give it to us

3097
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:10,000
yeah man i mean just i think if you know

3098
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:11,360
if you're of like-minded and you're

3099
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:12,000
interested

3100
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:14,480
in uh in the paranormal just i think my

3101
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:16,840
new youtube channel just

3102
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,920
youtube.com paranormal post is my fun

3103
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:21,520
um like i said we've got about 10

3104
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:23,199
episodes up there right now we just did

3105
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:24,080
uh

3106
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:27,520
a story about faceless human beings um

3107
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,880
and yeah these creatures that are being

3108
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:32,000
witnessed by

3109
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:34,159
truck drivers and and people all over

3110
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:35,119
the place we're

3111
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:37,280
seeing these uh creatures on the side of

3112
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,159
the road with no

3113
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,719
face um and showing up in people's

3114
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:42,239
bedrooms and things so

3115
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:45,840
no really fascinating eyewitness account

3116
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:48,159
i'm living in hawaii right now man and

3117
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:50,000
that's one of the biggest like folklore

3118
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,040
tales here

3119
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:53,920
yeah yes from the japanese culture is

3120
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,600
the faceless woman and

3121
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,840
every time i hear about it i'm like no

3122
01:42:00,790 --> 01:42:00,159
i'd rather a gray alien visit me in my

3123
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:00,800
room

3124
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,960
like i can't deal with this faceless

3125
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,560
thing no thank you

3126
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,400
when i lived in or not lived in hawaii i

3127
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,560
visited hawaii and i insisted on going

3128
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:09,679
on the ghost tour

3129
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,600
of the um oh the volcanic ruins but

3130
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,360
there was all sorts of interesting like

3131
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:17,600
there like the giant cave that's there

3132
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:20,880
the burial grounds and the at night time

3133
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:21,119
and

3134
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:31,760
oh it's good stuff my speed my speed

3135
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,840
yeah yeah and i am i'm actually gonna

3136
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:35,520
have one of the local

3137
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:38,080
um ghost storytellers on the show very

3138
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,440
soon as well so

3139
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:41,119
um it might even be the person who took

3140
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,719
you on these tours who knows

3141
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:45,360
oh cool cool i can't wait that'll be fun

3142
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:46,159
but um

3143
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,159
clayton thank you so much brother this

3144
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,239
has been an absolute pleasure to have

3145
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,159
you on we'll have to have you back

3146
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:55,199
again um and i have to thank you for

3147
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:57,760
being so open and honest with us about

3148
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,800
how this topic is discussed in the

3149
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,960
mainstream media giving us that inside

3150
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:04,080
perspective

3151
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:06,719
and look things are changing rapidly in

3152
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,040
our world with this topic i can only

3153
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,280
hope we can all come together

3154
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,760
and find some answers but um you are

3155
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,520
part of that equation and i have to

3156
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,960
thank you for coming on somewhere in the

3157
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:18,239
skies

3158
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:20,080
well thank you so much and thank you

3159
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:21,360
ryan for being such

3160
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:24,400
a great inspiration to this community

3161
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:26,400
and the professionalism and the

3162
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,159
perfectionism with which you

3163
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,960
produce and tell these stories and bring

3164
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:32,800
light to these i just hope your audience

3165
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:34,639
knows that you know it's

3166
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:37,119
it's not easy like from the media

3167
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,560
perspective what you do

3168
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,639
and the level of perfection and polish

3169
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:41,760
that you're able to put

3170
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:44,159
on what you your you know your stories

3171
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:45,760
that you're able to put out there

3172
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,159
and you are a beacon of light and so you

3173
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:49,440
should be proud of that and i hope your

3174
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,080
audience

3175
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,679
really knows that so thank you for

3176
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:53,520
having me it's been a true true pleasure

3177
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:54,239
and an honor

3178
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:56,080
thank you well the pleasure was all mine

3179
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,679
and i learned from the best brother so

3180
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,159
to you and jim harold thank you for

3181
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,960
being my inspiration and uh keep looking

3182
01:44:13,820 --> 01:44:03,760
up my man

3183
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:49,109
[Music]

3184
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:51,040
somewhere in the skies is produced by

3185
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:52,320
third kind productions